hell is getting awfully cold: Marlins are in talks to get Manny!

ESPN just said the Marlins and Red Sox are in talks to get Manny Ramirez. I REALLY hope we don't do it. I'd hate for us to give up two young hitters, Willingham and Hermida, for at most, a 3 month rental. I'd be HUGELY shocked if the marlins suddenly quintupled their team salary to sign a cantakerous player to a long term deal.

I dont think any team would really want to be on the receiving end of the Manny deal. Especially when Manny's salary is worth more than the Marlin's entire payroll.

I know the Marlins are in the playoff hunt, butwe need pitching, not hitting, and certianly not a hitter that sucks at defense.

Frankly, the Sox front office has had it with Manny and is willing to eat some some of his salary just to make a deal happen.

The deal is supposedly virtually done...it's a $ sticking point, as in how much of Manny's salary the Sox pay. The Marlins want the Sox to pay 100% of it, the Sox want Hermida instead of Willingham to do so.

Marlins get:

Manny Ramirez
$$$

Red Sox get:

Hermida or Willingham
Ryan Tucker (middling AA RHP prospect...projects to a MLB 4 or 5 or long relief)
Mike Stanton (OF prospect...on pace to hit 40HRs and strike out 250+ times in single-A. A minor-league Adam Dunn clone.)

The other hang-up is that the Sox won't pull the trigger until they finalize a second deal to spin off Willingham or Hermida, Tucker and a Red Sox MLB-ready pitching prospect (Buchholz?) to the Bucs for Jason Bay. (The Sox P prospect gets dropped (or the Sox keep Tucker) if the Marlins player is Hermida instead of Willingham.)

I like that we're buyers this year, but I hate hate hate that we give up all those young guys for a rental. like i said up thread, if we were going to buy, i'd rather we rent a top pitcher.

Yes, he's difficult and a big baby. But he's one of the best right-handed hitters in the modern era. To tell you the truth, the sports media in this town really fans the flames.

Told ESPNDeportes that Boston didn't deserve him and ripped into Lucchino, John Henry, and Theo. He's toast...either they trade him now or they take the options so they can control where he goes and trade him in ST. No way he's in Beantown next year, no way they let him hit free agency.

That is bad. I hope they get some young talent for him.

They're losing again tonight. :-(

His antics have caused more problems in the clubhouse than they have in the past. Guys like Jason Varitek, Sean Casey, and Kevin Youkilis see Manny as a pain in the ass.

He got into a shoving match with Youk, and slugged a 60 year old team employee. He has burned up the good will.

and stopped running to first.

Fucking brat.

Chump change. Marlins...you know you want him. And the Marlins should pick up his options, giving them 2 years.

I would assume they would get Boston to pick up the majority of his remaining salary for this season, then they can decline his option and be done with him. Declining his option would be the Marlin way.

they're losing a couple good players (at least) for 3 months of Manny. What am I missing, here?

However, they want a new ball park (maybe they are already getting one), so having Manny in town might sell tickets.

unless Lowrie has a bunch of money lying around waiting for a big name player to arrive, this is a terrible decision. Even if we win our third world series, it still hurts us in the long term.

it's as much of a trade to keep him away from the Phils and Mets, both of whom also put out feelers in the last few days. Both of those deals are supposedly dead but who knows what deal could happen between now and 4PM tomorrow in a last-ditch offer. Whoever gets Manny gets the best available hitter not named Bonds...it might be over for the other two.

It's all conjecture anyways...10am this morning Man-Ram was going to be a Dodger by noon for Kemp and Andruw Jones. Needless to say, that didn't happen. I think local media here makes shit up when they don't have breaking Sox news on the hour.

according to WEEI, at least.

Otherwise he has almost zero value. Sometimes I hate living between two major media markets...I get constant updates (literally...every two minutes) but it's all conjecture and no action thus far.

The league has to sign off on deals involving cash considerations, so it looks like something may be imminent.

They're getting their asses kicked by LA...and they've played poorly against NY and TB. I don't see a Sox parade downtown this fall. x(

regardless what happens with Manny. I think we peaked early and we got a lot of outstanding play from guys to cover for Ramirez and Ortiz having atypical seasons. Nevertheless, Drew and Youk (among others) are playing over expectations and that's probably not sustainable.

I think we have a bright future...Ellsbury, Pedroia, Lowrie, Buchholz,... That's a nice bunch of talent in kids younger than 25, 23 if you take Pedroia out of that group. If Hanson can get his head together, Beckett becomes the pitcher he was last season again and Dice-K performs like he did earlier this year...we're the 2009, 2010, and 2011 favorites.