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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:14 PM
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Is wanting a Kennedy moment such a bad thing?
IN regards to Obama...

Is that so wrong?

I've met hella boomers who said they are voting for Obama for exactly that reason. Can't say I disagree, and if I were a boomer I'd feel the Kennedy Experience was an unfinished job.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:18 PM
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1. Whatever it takes is fine with me.
I'm voting for him because he's a democrat. And because he's not McCain.
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:33 PM
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2. I understand the sentiment
and I don't think it's "wrong", but I hope it wouldn't be a "moment". And I like to be careful about such comparisons. I think a lot of the nostalgia for Camelot derives from how it ended.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:38 PM
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3. My mom, who isn't a boomer, but culturally is more like that generation
Believes this. She wants the Kennedy 'Great Society' for her grandkids, our children.

When JFK ran in the early 60's, she was in her mid-20's and felt that hope, that optimism. That feeling that the US can be good, if good people run it. Kennedy was a good man. Sure, he liked his sex. Guys were ID's on wheels back then. But when JFK was shot, it was the death of an optimism for her. She voted Republican afterwards until Carter.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:39 PM
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4. The debates are coming, hopefully.
It will be a Kennedy/Nixon moment.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:38 PM
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5. Of course that whole debate was about the use of television
Kennedy understood it, Nixon didn't

These debates may be about how they play on the internet

Obama understands it, McCain doesn't
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:45 PM
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6. Kennedy understood, and looked good
Nixon was sweaty. I remember reading that people who heard it on the radio thought Nixon did much better than those who saw it on TV.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:53 PM
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7. History paints people without the colors
I don't want another Kennedy, I sure as hell don't want another Bush. I want a new day and a different direction.

People seem to forget things like the Bay of Pigs, or the fact that Kennedy allegedly tried more than once to have Castro assassinated. Kennedy got us involved in Vietnam and resisted a lot of Civil Rights issues. You can call that pragmatism if you want but I prefer to look at my historical figures with a little more critical eye. Just because someone was handsome, popular and assassinated doesn't mean they were perfect. Kennedy carried more important warts than womanizing.

Unpopular view, I know but there it is.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:50 PM
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8. JFK did not try to get Castro assassinated --- the CIA did . . .
THAT was part of Operation 40 -- a program supervised by Nixon while Ike was in the hospital
recovering from a heart attack ---

JFK did not get us involved in VN -- nor did Ike . . . but CIA BETRAYED Ike --
not the first time, either.

Re civil rights issues --- you're wrong --- the times were difficult and I don't think they
especially wanted to be the ones -- but they did face up to it in time. Amazingly, they were
also having a positive effect on female equality. All reversed moments after the coup.

I don't think any of us have ever suggested that JFK was "perfect" --- but if we believed
all of the tales of his "womanizing" he would have had to be Superman!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:55 PM
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9. Take a deep breath . . . and understand you're here at probably the
most significant time in this planet's history --- in regard to Global Warming.

You have a wild ride ahead of you -- we all do.

Politically, the same --- we are in very dangerous times ---

JFK was wonderful -- he was also naive --- "he thought he was president" ---

He didn't undererstand the true murderous qualities of those opposing him ---

LBJ/oil industry, coporate powers arrayed against him.


I'm rooting for this being a time when we bring the world to true democracy, true equality

for all -- it could happen.


Maybe even by accident?


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