I promised myself I wouldn't do this, but I do just HAVE to say one thing about Edwards:

Dude. You're going to risk your marriage and your career to boff a woman who looks like THIS?



Sorry, folks, Call me a pig (even a male chauvinist one), or whatever, but Jesus, Johnny-boy, don't you have any standards?

Redstone

Damn, disappointed in ya john...

RL

Most women have standards, no matter how rich or high profile/important and handsome they might be. Gotta aim low to score!

JUST KIDDING DU legalfolk. Heh heh. Just joshin, couldn't resist the lawyer joke.

Redstone

...is to look at state lawyer ethics codes and find out which states had to actually put in their code of professional conduct, a rule prohibiting having sex with your own client.

It comes up mostly with divorce lawyers, but I gotta say...

If a lawyer hasn't figured out the right way to screw his/her clients, then he/she needs to get more experience.

Maybe it wasn't her looks...

And it could be that this pic is unflattering...

Maybe she's just a lovely person with what he needed at the time...

I don't know.

And it's none of our business, after all...

:hug:

I rarely get that feeling for invisible internet people, but you are just too cool

Redstone

I really appreciate your thoughts...

:hug:

when I saw that picture. And, as I admitted, I'm not hardly being shallow in that way, and in and many other ways.

Redstone

repug control over for the next decade. All we would need is for our candidate to have been caught with his literal pants down to insure more bushco. I'm sorry, none of my business? Only if it were so, the people who want to be president are our business. And don't give me that its his private life. If he lies to his wife, I cannot trust him. And just as we lambasts Newt and Bob Barr, Edwards has joined them in politcal limbo, with GAry HArt sitting at the head of the table.

and is the one most used on tv that I've seen.

I also saw an interview with her from a year or so ago and she doesn't look like that at all - she's really cute and animated.

but that's neither here nor there, her looks.

she is fugly



kind of like Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla????? WTF???????

And this is a very good pic of her...

making happier couples.

Charles ALWAYS loved Camilla. He asked his mother for permission to marry her, but he was denied. He ALWAYS wanted Camilla. Diana was the younger looking version of the original.

I swear, as much as I love Princess Diana, Charles and Camilla have the great love story here, if I am to tell the truth.

Charles ALWAYS loved Camilla. He asked his mother for permission to marry her, but he was denied. He ALWAYS wanted Camilla. Diana was the younger looking version of the original.

I swear, as much as I love Princess Diana, Charles and Camilla have the great love story here, if I am to tell the truth.

...maybe it's not about shallow superficialities. Good for them, I say.

I must say I think Harry has grown to be the better looking of the two. But then again, I'm a sucker for a redhead. :)

Dianna was a shallow, media hungry dim wit. She had nothing in common with Prince Charles. He shouldn't have married her. Camilla was pretty as a girl and still is attractive for her age. I like her. His sons like her.

Camilla knows her place and it's not shoving Charles out the way so she can get her mug on the telly. Dianna was so petty. I believe much of what she did was just photo ops to make the public like her more than Charles. Remember how she used to run down a public street in her leotards to go to a public gym? WTF? She could have a trainer and a gym in her own home. She called the media out to the Mediterranean so she could have photos all over the papers of herself swimming with her latest boyfriend to take attention away from Charles and the event he was having at that time.

She was supposed to be a Princess not some tart on the East Enders.
I'd take the plainer more interesting person than the fluff for brains myself.

she must have something going on

I just don't get it.

This is the very last thing I'll post on the subject though. I got a LOT of bitching out of my system in GDP and I think I'm finally done. I will continue to bring up McCain's adultery though. I'm partisan like that. :D

Edwards cheats on his wife, and your first thought is that she's not pretty enough? You don't know anything about her. Maybe she was able to fill an emotional void that Edwards thought he was lacking. I don't know, and neither do you.

BUT! To bring her looks into this, makes you sound like a high school kid. How attractive should she be (according to your standards) to make the affair more understandable to you?

a LOT of men (who are also pigs as well) are thinking, but are afraid to state in public.

Redstone

...we could call you a pig.

Piggy pig pig. :hi:

Men are infinitely less complicated than we are given credit for. That said, I suspect Edwards is a very, very complicated man. Bearing in mind this is only when compared to other men.

isn't terribly attractive by mainstream standards; it's just that she looks like a hateful and bitter woman, not someobody you'd expect would be the type to give anyone comfort.

You gotta wonder what was happening while that picture was being taken...was someone showing her a nude photo of Richard Simmons, or what?

Redstone

Sums you up quite nicely.

constantly remind me of that fact, be my guest.

Redstone

In fact, I'd like to subscribe to your "Women I'd Sleep With" newsletter.

Redstone

Redstone

If she had been prettier, you'd be less disturbed by the affair.

To be honest, she could use a less Rod Stewart-like hair style, but she's not an "uggo" by any stretch of the imagination. If she posted some pics on DU, a lot of guys would be trying to get in her pants via compliments and PMs.

I don't (as a married man) approve of her affair with JE, but I'm not gonna be an asshole and comment on her looks. She looks just fine, and maybe the affair didn't begin because of "looks".

Redstone

Maybe I didn't get it and I don't know why its just something that I become used to seeing happen in America I guess.

No sarcasm whatsoever. Excellent post.

Redstone

I can't be upset with him right now because I've grown used to this. Good night :hi:

(not to discredit your observation)

(Just trying to see how much more righteous indignation I can stir up here.)

Redstone

:hi:

that poor woman, don't you?

I like it.

Redstone

I'm a giver.

but it'll taste skunky. It's Hell, after all.

Redstone

His campaign and his wife's health were both huge amounts of stress. She was there, and they apparently reached out for each other.

I'm sorry he felt the need to do this, but I won't judge him for it. I hope it was what he needed at the time, and I hope it doesn't destroy his marriage or the rest of his professional life.

I appreciate that you are more adept than I am at expressing nuanced opinions.

I appreciate hearing that. As medicated as I've needed to be for the past few days, I don't really know how I sound until people give me some feedback.

:hug:

disasters preventing us from getting down to NYC.

Redstone

I can't wait to meet you. :)

Whatever the seating arrangents are, sit by me. If it's an appropriate topic and it comes up in conversation, you're someone I know I can talk with about pain management and health issues. You have experienced as much as me, and you understand.

:hug:

look at Lioness, OK?

(It's OK. Lioness knows how smitten I am by her looks, and so does Mrs R (who will be there with me), so it'll just be innocent slack-jawed gaping on my part.)

We'll talk, if you want to. Don't know if it will help either of us, but anything's worth a try, yes?

Redstone

I wish I were as polite & on topic as you, but I sometimes get too belligerent (as redstone can attest), and lash out without making an attempt to express myself more politely/succinctly.

that's a positive thing, yes? I've certainly found it to be so, and I'll bet that many other DUers have as well.

And (stand by for olive branch) if you find a post of mine, out at which you feel you need to lash for whatever reason, lash away. I'm a big guy; I can take it.

Redstone

You dick!

Redstone

Russ, come here a minute. You know I wouldn't do anything to hurt your Mom. It's been a long drive. I work very hard for you, Audrey and your mom. I guess when you get older you get these feelings and these feelings make you do you wouldn't normally do.

Like swimming naked with girls?

Yeah! Like swimming naked with girls.Well, not with girls. You think I was swimming with girls?

I saw just one girl.

Who, that girl? Oh, no, that's a waitress. No, I was just ordering in. She's a pool waitress. I was ordering some fish for you, Audrey and Mom.

She took your order?

She took my order, yeah. Swimming waitress. You understand, don't you, Russ?

Sure, I understand. Do you think Mom will buy it?

Good talk, son. Go to bed, Russ.
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Not taking any pleasure in all this. Just wanted to sneak in a Vacation quote.

:shrug:

I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make with yours.

If you don't understand what people will do under extreme stress then I hope you are never living with enough stress to find out.

on the shoulder with the invisible ball-peen hammer tonight, so I know a bit about how you're feeling, but I'm remembering to keep my perspective.

People will make jokes, and we shouldn't let our pain get in the way of our sense of humor, yes? Life is not worth living if we do.

Redstone

It's the Lounge. But if you want to get serious, I guess stress can drive people to do all kinds of things. Then again, stress can also be used as an excuse for all kinds of things. But it's really none of my business.

Redstone

had a double mastectomy, and sister to yet another sister who is going to have a single mastectomy next week, if either of their husbands did this to them while they were struggling with cancer, I'd hunt them down and cut their balls off with a rusty knife and shove them up their nostrils. To feel your very femininity is compromised because you lose your breasts, and your asshole husband goes out to fuck someone with two tits - well, he'd just better be glad he's not my brother in law. Now I don't believe Elizabeth had mastectomies because her cancer is terminal, but still.

I can see Edwards' stress, and understand it, but jesus christ, man. Go see a therapist (to TALK). This infuriates me more than I can possibly express.

End of rant.

And yes, if he was going to risk his marriage, it should have been with Miss America.

agree with. Were I a woman, especially one with family members who have lived through what Mrs Edwards has, and furthermore given the grace and strength with which she's dealt with her illness, yeah. I don't doubt a bit that I'd be as smoking furious as you are.

Very, very well-written rant. And I'm being serious here, even though I wasn't being so in my original post.

Redstone

fair. I am truly shocked about this because I really thought Edwards was above cheating. :(

Nobody is above cheating if the conditions are right...

Nobody.

:hug:

I would like to think that someone with morals would be able to avoid temptation.

Are you saying that we are all capable of cheating? I believe that too, but still... I expected more from Edwards...

:hug:

Edwards is human...

Not a god.

When the body speaks, morals tend to vanish.

That's all...

:hug:

It's still sad though. I feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards, she's had a tough time. This is not her fault. (I'm not saying that anyone on this thread is saying that, I'm just saying that.)

You are so cool, CaliforniaPeggy.

:hug:

Actually, we don't know if Elizabeth had anything to do with his affair or not...

I'm just going to say that affairs do NOT happen in a vacuum.

There are always reasons.

And of course, the whole situation is sad.

:hug:

My best friend is gay, and he is habitually finding married guys at bars who want bj's.

Sometimes the little brain takes over for the larger brain, depending on how endowed you are vs how large a forehead you may have....lol.

I love JE, just the same. It is a private matter between the two of them.

but I cannot say positively that it would never happen.

I have seen cases that I'd never have expected, knowing the participants.

We are each of us human beings, and have the frailties that are part of that condition.

Redstone

I would be tempted to commit adultery with several women or men if they came on to me.

:( Not proud of that, either.

On edit: The guy in my sigline is married with two children. :(

But he held himself up to scrutiny and lied. Let's not forget that.

I just don't operate that way. If I felt the need, I would leave the marriage, but since I love him, that ain't gonna happen either.

:hi: Redstone!!

18 years for me, and I just don't see how I'd find the time or energy, no matter the temptation.

It just seems to me that it would take MUCH more work than I'd be willing to put into it, that whole affair thing.

Redstone

I could never expect to find another woman who would put up with me. I am taking no chances.

than Mrs R. And if there were such out there, I doubt that they'd be throwing themselves at me anyway.

So it's kind of easy for me. Which works out real well, since I'm basically a lazy son of a bitch.

Redstone

yes INDEED!

people cheat to feel wanted, needed, attractive or even to feel special. sometimes its harder to get these needs met with a sick spouse. not the spouse's fault but a bad situation overall.

doesnt make it ideal but its understandable.

it doesnt make you a bad person, it makes you human. human being make mistakes and do stupid thing

also the looks of the other person doesnt matter if all you want is comfort and a desire to be needed


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3754363&mesg_id=3754609

anyone in any situation, and I do not judge anyone's actions. People will do what they will do, for reasons known only to them, and it's NOT for me to judge.

I'm just throwing a bit of (mean-spirited, I'll grant that) humor at the situation because, well, we all need a break from all the earnestness now and again, don't we?

PS: Mrs R is very much looking forward to meeting you on Sunday. We'll be there unless there's some kind of disaster. And I am looking forward to meeting you, Lisa, ThomCat, and Cal Peg, along with all the others. Thanks you for arranging the meet-up.

Redstone

mattered if she provided what he needed

Redstone

but instead I'm laughing. Redstone, you male chauvinist pig! It's not her face he was interested in. :rofl: Yes, I realize she is probably a terribly sensitive, kind and intelligent woman. That's not what we're talking about here. :eyes:

your insight intact.

How's every little thing going for you these days? Last I remember, you weren't all that happy with your situation as it stood, and I do hope that's changed for the better. I'd like to hear from you, either here or via PM, I really would.

Redstone

:eyes: Feed the media frenzy, why don't you?

Redstone

Over 45 years ago JFK was banging Marilyn Monroe. The quality of politician's mistresses has been steadily slipping over the years. ;)

Someone has to keep that banner flying, and it's good for me to know you'll be there with me.

Redstone

Oh, how retro of me! Nowadays it would be "Dyson" because no matter how dirty, you don't lose suction!

as tactless as me around here?

It's good to have company.

Redstone

Have a drink on me! :beer:

Redstone

And I heard she was related to this one...

...to suck a golf ball through a hose pipe? :shrug:

And by the way, the common phrase is "suck a golf ball through a garden hose."

Oops. Isn't THAT correction going to get me in trouble.

Redstone

...we use a different vernacular down here. We don't have "garden hoses" - sniff, sniff - we have hose pipes...;-)

:evilgrin:

It's "That girl could blow-start a Harley".

Locking in 3...2...1...

"suck the chrome off a trailer hitch"

Maybe it's a regional thing! :D

with a very public person, with a very real family, with a very ill wife. Not exactly resume material and frankly...if the stakes were that high for me...

I'd want the equivalent of Brad Pitt.

it makes the male perspective any less swinish, but still...

Redstone

revolve 100% around a woman's looks?

That's sad.

Redstone

If I was in a bar looking for a one night stand and she was available, I'd be interested. No question. Would either of us want to see the other ever again? That would depend on a lot more than looks.

Like everyone else there are some characteristics I find more or less appealing than others, and probably a couple (like stupidity) that are deal breakers, but my standards, and history, regarding attractiveness are pretty broad. I see no deal breakers here with this woman, but I don't know her personality either and that's the most important criterion of all by far.

Personality can make the physically "ugly" beautiful or the beautiful ugly. Janeane Garofalo might be a good example. She's not ugly and she's not classically beautiful. If I knew nothing about her other than a photo I'd consider her very average and might not give her a second look if I passed her in a shopping mall, but her strong liberal minded personality combined with "decent" looks makes her hot in my book. Very hot, in fact. If she was a dittohead she'd be just as unattractive to me as Ann Coulter.

Maybe we should wait till we know more about this woman before criticizing her looks. She's likely a liberal Democrat for one thing. Who knows, she might read DU or even be a member. The only thing I know for sure about this woman is she had an affair with Edwards, and I know zero details about that affair. She might have been seduced and taken advantage of by a famous, brilliant, and good looking man, or she might be ruthless, gold digging, home wrecker.

I also think that's probably a very bad shot of her, and of course that's the one the tabloids would choose to show us.

Anyway, I'd fuck her. I'd fuck her if she'd fuck me, put it that way. I guess my standards are just as low as John Edwards'.

One last thing. Other than her hair, there's not a whole hell of a lot this woman can do to please those who find her physically unattractive. I do think it's unkind and unfair to ridicule someone because of something they can't possibly do anything about. Unless, of course, that person is someone like Ann Coulter who is herself unkind and unfair, but even then I know I'm taking a cheap shot that I shouldn't take. Ideally, I'd criticize Coulter for her heart(or lack of), and try to keep the fact that I think she looks like a stick figure with the face of a ghoul to myself.

it seems that it has, and in that light your post was a good one.

Redstone

massages. I was gonna say something else, but thought it might not be the best idea.

I have to admit I thought the same thing. I'd have been disgusted with Edwards even if he had had an affair with Jessica Alba, but...

:shrug:

while banging hot women. You can use the extra money to buy yourself a nice Honda s2000 convertible