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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:18 PM
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House we rented a week ago was rented out from underneath us...
Signed a lease and wrote a check. Still had to wait a week before moving in. We sold our stove (less than a year old) and our portable dishwasher (two years old).

No phone call or anything. Just a letter with my check attached. House was rented to someone else. We think someone handed over cash in hand which took priority over my check. It was stamped 'for deposit only', too.

We have until the first of the month to find another place to live and so far only one place that might be acceptable for us. It's in a trailer court on the other side of town. I really don't want it, but we might not have a choice, but to take it.

I've gone through the classifieds and most places are either rented or my calls aren't returned after leaving messages.

Needless to say...I'm fucking depressed. :cry:
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:19 PM
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1. If you signed a lease, how is that legal?
I'm not overly familiar with this type of stuff, but I thought a lease was a legally binding document.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:20 PM
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2. It is.
Once you sign a lease, there are very strict procedures for ending the tenancy before the leasing period is up, and mailing the check back is not one of them.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:22 PM
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4. That's what I thought.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:09 AM
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18. It depends on the jurisdiction.
(State, County, City.) Check it out.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:15 AM
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19. I would assume a contract is a contract anywhere.
Otherwise, there'd be no point in having a lease. But all of my experience with landlord/tenant law (I used to manage rental housing) is in California, and many other places have fewer protections for the tenant.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:33 AM
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20. Yes, a contract is a contract,
BUT, as you know, there are protections for tenants in some places, and less so in other places. The relevant legal issues in a particular place will vary, such as, what does it take to ENFORCE the 'contract?'

In this case, I'd try to find a legal-aid type office and get a quick answer, and/or find out if there's a useful office in the local court system that could help.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:01 AM
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24. THAT is the way I understand it
absolutely
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:23 PM
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5. I don't know if it is or not...
We don't have the time to get into it with her over this. I would sue if we didn't have to find another place in such a short amount of time.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:29 PM
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6. I'm not a "legal" person, but I am fairly sure that
a lease is not a legal document until it is registered.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:33 PM
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10. A signed contract is a signed contract in all the states I've lived in
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 07:03 PM by LostinVA
Leases aren't registered -- they are signed.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:50 PM
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17. It seems you're right. I guess Judge Judy wll sort it. nt
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:33 PM
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11. You don't "register" a lease.
If it's signed by both parties, it's legally binding.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:34 PM
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12. That's not correct.
Most leases are legal documents, regardless of whether they're registered.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:21 PM
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3. If you signed a lease, then the landlord probably messed up.
You might not want to live in a place with an incompetent landlord, but there are usually steps that have to be taken before a landlord can terminate a signed lease. Refusing payment likely isn't one of them. You might want to contact a legal aid group, as you relied on the landlord's contract with you.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:30 PM
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7. Have my fingers crossed that you will find something as nice. And
Do at least keep a journal of all the hardship imposed on you that has been caused by this person's failing to abide bny the lease.

You have the right to sue them for your troubles. Expenses of getting in a car and looking for another place, time spent looking, the hassle of selling the appliances you sold. Emotional distress, even, as that is probably the worst aspect of this.

About the only way I can say that what happened to you is legal is if they found out some huge smudges on your credit report, or if you were ever involved in an eviction.

Once you find a new place and get settled in, then sue the other people for damages. You have a year to do that.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:34 PM
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13. They wouldn't have had me sign a lease if my application hadn't been approved...
That's why we think someone had cash on hand.

Husband thinks we should sue because of the problems this caused.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:35 PM
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15. Absolutely you should.
If they won't honor the lease, then they're liable for every extra cent it costs you to get into another place.

Sorry you're having to go through this--that truly sucks.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:06 PM
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16. Do take the time to get ahold of a big city phone book and search
The Yellow Pages for a Real Estate Attorney.

often they will give you a twenty minute to half hour consultation for free.

And if you decide to pursue this legally, make sure that you like the lawyer. So talk to several before you decide on one. And that they have represented someone in this circumstance before. (Or have an upfront evaluation of what their game plan will be to pursue the case for you.)

Many RE attorneys exist only because they have learned how very profitable it is to beintimidating poor people out of the premises that they are being evicted from, and as attorneys they don't know much else. (Don't need to -as that can be a mighty profitable calling.)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:30 PM
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8. Did the landlord countersign the lease?
If all you have is your agreement to rent and an uncashed check, you may have a problem. However, if the landlord entered the contract to lease to you, and you have a copy, find a place to stay and sue them.

Then, find out if your municipality demands rental certificates to be given out to landlords for their property. If so, fill them in on this person's tactics. At the end of the current lease, their certificated could get yanked. I'm vengeful like that.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:35 PM
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14. Yep, it was signed...
I don't know if the city does rental certificates.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 06:30 PM
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9. They CAN'T do that if you both signed the lease (you and the landlord)
Seriously, it's illegal. Depending on your state's laws, at the very least they have to give you the apartment, or pay your rent someplace else. Check the statutes online or at a local library, then file a suit. Seriously. There may even be a local organization who will handle this for you gratis. This is ILLEGAL.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:33 AM
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21. I would be tempted to sue simply because it pisses me off to see them fuck you over
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 12:34 AM by Connonym
that's just not right, even if you did have somewhere else to go it's not right for them to do this. So sick of business always getting the upper hand over the consumer. The creeps should be made to pay the consequences for being sleezy.

ETA but you're probably better off not renting from the kind of asshole who would do that. Hope you find something else you like in time.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:44 AM
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22. I'd love to sue them for the ownership of the property.
Really make it hurt. The landlord saw someone with cash in hand, and figuring you wouldn't or couldn't afford to put up a legal fuss decided to screw you over. Sue 'em.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:09 AM
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23. Lawyer, first thing tomorrow.
Unless any of these posts are from lawyers who have read the contract, none are really valid. In general, a lease is a contract that can't be broken arbitrarily, but leases tend to favor landlords, and there is no telling what clauses or conditions are included without reading it.

There are other possibilities, too, like, the landlord could have had an earlier lease, and taken yours second for some reason, or had a tenant who wouldn't move out, and then signed another lease. In that case, they have two leases for one property, and no way to fulfill both.

A lawyer can read the lease, tell you what you need to do, and give you the peace of mind that you tried your best. Best case--they fire off a letter to the landlord threatening suit for specific performance and damages, and who knows what else, and the landlord calls you begging for a second chance while offering to pay your legal fee. Worst case--you pay a fee and lose a couple of hours. You might even get something in between, like a payoff from the landlord, or another property offer, or whatever you could think of. (No, you won't get their house or a year's free rent or anything).

I guess the real worst case would be that you sue, tie up all your finances in a decade long legal battle, and go broke on attorney fees, but I'm assuming you wouldn't go that far. :)
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