I hate hipsters

Mean. Arrogant. Driving up rents. Dressed stupidly. I wish they'd get the fuck out of Brooklyn.

Neighborhoods that want to keep hipsters out should build churches and retirement homes. Those two will never be ironic.

Driving up rents = increasing property values. Artists are often the first pioneers in neighborhood turnarounds.

Your contemporary hipster is "hip" only because he is the first dog to hear Dr Pavlov's latest bell

I still contend that artists are often at the vanguard of rejuvenating a neighborhood.

but artist and the contemporary hipster (I guess I should use the little trademark symbol) are not synonymous.

Playing bass in an indie rock band or almost having an art degree does not make one an artist.

So I assumed that his definition of hipster (tm) included the artist class. I could be totally off-base though. I am only speaking from limited personal experience. I guess I also don't understand what's so bad about property values going up.

In New York, most people rent. To put it simply, I sympathize with those suffering from rent-increases; but of course, there are some benefits, like less crime, more business.

An influx of any group of young people who have decent means and aren't crime-prone would boost property values.

My problem with them has more to do with their behavior.

Are pushed out by the idle rich who move in because they want to get in on a trend. The artists that you speak of usually have to move out as well. I agree, the artists revitalize an area but it's to their own detriment, they fix up an old dowtown area. Galleries move in, cafes, other shops. then the rich see what an adorable place it's become, they buy everything up and force out the people who actually use those areas as living spaces. It gets to be that the "locals" and service industry people can't afford to live there anymore. See Taos, Telluride and Jackson Hole.

:rofl:

Random violence, theft, muggings, etc. all help.

Bushwick was a very dangerous neighborhood, and it didn't prevent hipsters from moving in. The violence makes it seem kind of edgy. What scares hipsters is old people, religion, babies in strollers, families. I'm not going to name the Brooklyn neighborhoods that I'm referring to, in fear that some will start infesting them.

And your post is very ironic, too.

:)

Touché.

Or am I free to declare all who do not believe in the glorious mullet of the proletariat to be hipsters

American Idol and such are heralded with another bell, but do not doubt that there is a bell for the hipster

Are these the scourge of Brooklyn?

:scared:

You can't make a right decision.

geez. tough call. i'd probably take hipsters too, 'cause they can't beat me up.

Hipsters make every possible attempt to look ugly from head to toe.

The uglier, the better.

I don't mind them. I guess they call them low rise now though :shrug:

I live in Austin, one of the natural habitats of the poseur hipster. I like how they're all being non conformist by wearing their trucker caps, western shirts and chuck taylors. :eyes: Going out to see bands here causes me to roll my eyes so much that I get headaches.

:evilgrin: choke on my chai tea sucka!

Everybody knows that they started to suck when ever Carlos *blank* and blah blah blah. If you knew anything about music, you'd be listening to *obscure band that sounds like badgers fighting that nobody has ever heard of*.

Chai tea? :eyes:

Sorry, couldn't resist :evilgrin:

:cry:


:rofl:

or balloons screeching, or people playing bandsaws and instruments they invented!



:hi:


I don't like gentrification, though. Where are the people who can't afford inflated rents supposed to live? :shrug:

With the rest of the hipsters.

By the way, I love noise like Arab on Radar.

How did I not see you at the Irish Festival?

or cuz there were so, so many people there.

I figured I would never find anyone near the main stage ( I kind of miss the set-up from when they had the Fest downtown) -when did you see the Orphans? I saw them after 9 pm, I think it was. I was hanging out at the Irish Center table prior to that being regaled with all kinds of tales from ex-members and people wanting to learn Gaelic.

should we continue this in a PM?

i was near the guy who puked.

i didn't puke.

the new mayor of braddock is a harvard grad. he's the first person in a while to realize that braddock is never going to be revitalized in the way that most people would hope it to be, so he's trying to turn it into an artists' community.

he's quite intense. anytime someone is murdered there, he gets the date it happened tattooed on his arm. i believe he has 12 tattoos to date.

lots of young people are moving there, i would consider it too, but the whole area smells terrible because of the edgar thompson works.

Which wouldn't be such a bad idea, mind you.
With 2500 people remaining, one could argue that the dislocation is already done. And imagine the opening of East Pittsburgh as a place to commute from!
I do like the fact that the mayor has had the old 1975 Lincoln brought back into service as the mayormobile
http://www.15104.cc/mayor.html

The Expressway wouldn't be a terrible idea, but you're probably right about the dislocation already being done. I work in East Pittsburgh (well, I'm losing my job Friday, but whatever...) and it wouldn't be a bad idea to run the road through there either.

You mean by living there?

Wouldn't that kind of mean you resent everyone who lives in your neighborhood?

It generally goes like this:

1. Working class or poor minority neighborhood

2. Hipsters and artists move in, attracted to the low rents, cachet of living around people of color, and "authenticity" of the neighborhood

3. More hipsters move in, price out working class people and artists, who go to another working class or poor neighborhood

4. Trend-minded older white people with money move in, price out the hipsters

5. Hipsters find a new neighborhood, start again with step 2

How fast that cycle goes depends on the size of the city, the number of hipsters, the economic health of the neighborhood pre-hipster swarm, etc. In big cities it takes at most a few years, in smaller cities it can take a decade or more.

I'm not convinced that hipsters themselves are the problem - I think the problem may lie more squarely with the developers. Everyone, including people with thick glasses and a love of the arts, has to live somewhere, and like many people, they are trying to live in an affordable place that's near public transportation and where they work.

When I think about the alternatives for where they should live ... I'm at a loss. Do they have a moral obligation to self-segregate and live in primarily white neighborhoods? Do they have a moral obligation to live outside of urban areas?

Or we just want them to look less "trendy"? What do you think really is the problem? (Serious question)

We can't expect developers to not be scum, so ultimately people have to make some ethical decisions about where they live, and try to look for housing that isn't displacing others or destroying an existing community.

What's a responsible place for them to live?

Maybe you already do, I dunno. But do you have a moral obligation to live in the suburbs?

Should the suburbs be expanded? Are they a good model for responsible living?

i ain't do too good around polite company.

actually, right now i live near downtown chicago, but i grew up in this city's ghettoes.

Seeing as, in a few years, I'm going to be moving out of my dorm room and into an apartment and I don't want to start gentrification and ruin somebody's neighborhood.

I believe that Brooklyn is a hard place to live and to have to deal with them. You don't want your place to lose its character, but you can't fight the money. That's happened in SO many places in America.

Redstone

especially the musically-inclined

weirdomusic.com
Hepcat Willy
Basic Hip Digital Oddio

:P

moving into the neighborhood of one of the guys Hank worked with. They were the stereotypical poseur hipsters, too.

What I thought was interesting was the fact that the hipsters were looking for authenticity, but they treated Hank's coworker and the other families in the neighborhood like trendy, free-range accessories to their "coolness". Hank, who is as redneck as they come, actually connected with the man, and got to know his daughter, as he wrote a speech for her Quinceanera celebration. In other words, he treated people like ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS, which is something that escaped the hipsters entirely.

In the end, Hank and his buddies helped get the hipsters out by pretending to move to the area. One look at Bill, Dale, Luann, et al, and the hipsters fled. :)

that is not based on reality, don't you?

I'm quite aware of the difference. But sometimes even lowly cartoons have something valuable to say about the human experience. I thought the episode made a good point about what it really means to connect with another person from a different background from you vs. wanting to be surrounded by those of another race or background simply because it's some kind of trendy "authenticity" accessory.

Flipsters and Finger Poppin' Daddy's. Lend me your lobes!

Lord Buckley doing Willie the Shake.

I gotta say, those don't even look right on thin people.

I'm young.
I'm white.
I'm college educated.
I'm obsessed with the Beats.
I would rather live in a diverse nighborhood.
And also, when my grandfather died, he left instructions in his will for us to sell the house. A third of the money goes to his daughter, another third goes to his son (my father), and the last third goes into a trust fund for me.
So am I a trust fund baby too?

:shrug:

I think he was talking about folks who have little concern with the folks who already live in the neighborhood and only seem to drive up the rents, rather than add to the character of the community.

I suppose it could simply be blamed on capitalism, though.


I went on an excellent SF Beat tour last time I was there. :hi: However, the Beat Museum itself was a bit of a disappointment.

with hipster infestations.

I know plenty of white-collar young people. Hell, everybody from my old suburb (won't call it a neighborhood) is a white-collar young person. Well, the ones I went to high school with and still know. Despite that, I still know a hipster when I see one as opposed to a non-hipster. It's easy to tell the difference.

so the cc makes sense.