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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:28 PM
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Now these are kitten pictures








"Soft good cat cat."

Koko is a lowland gorilla who has been taught by scientists at Stanford University to communicate in sign language. In 1984 she asked her trainer, Dr. Francine Patterson, for a pet cat. Koko named the pet manx cat “All Ball” and cared for the kitten as if he were a baby gorilla. She would carry All Ball on her back and cuddle him, even dress the cat up in napkins. Three days after All Ball was hit by a car and killed, Dr. Patterson signed with Koko and this was her response:

Dr. Patterson: Do you want to talk about your kitty?
Koko: Cry.
Dr. Patterson: What happened to your kitty?
Koko: Sleep cat.
Dr. Patterson: Yes, he’s sleeping.

Koko surprised many researchers by exhibiting the very human emotion of grief. Since All Ball’s death, Koko has raised several other kittens, including “Lipstick” and “Smokey.”

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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:48 PM
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1. Very sweet.
I recognized Koko right away. So touching to see her with her kitty!
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 04:52 PM
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2. Wow!
n/t
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:01 PM
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3. Koko is just an amazing person.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:36 PM
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4. Yes
I also consider dogs and cats people.

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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:38 PM
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5. How sweet!
:loveya:
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 09:40 PM
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6. KoKo is a great gorilla.
I have heard about her and her cat before. I don't know why researchers were surprised to see KoKo grieve for All Ball.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:58 PM
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7. There was a thread in GD a little while ago
about a gorilla who was grieving for her dead baby.

You'd be shocked at the number of people in denial that the gorilla was experiencing an emotion. No, it had to be some kind of programmed behavior, no "feelings" involved. Anyone who said otherwise was "anthropomorphizing."

Floored me. And horrified me. I hope those people never have a dog or a cat--or a child, for that matter, there's some pretty basic mammalian "instinctual" behavior on display there.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:06 AM
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9. Well, some people are really phucking stupid
Gorillas will carry a baby around for days. I saw a show where some researchers tried to remove a dead chimp (bonobo?) from a zoo habitat and were attached by the other chimps.

Animals feel emotions? Duh.

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:43 AM
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10. It's the height of hubris to think our species is the only one with emotional understandings...
...and inner lives.

Kind of the opposite of progressive, isn't it, to fight so hard against empathy?
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:59 PM
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8. Yeah, that seemed surprising
especially for primate researchers. You don't exactly need a large cerebral cortex to feel loss and grief. All you need is a functioning limbic system.



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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:46 AM
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12. Exactly, and it's not just loss and grief either.
Certainly love and joy factor into the equation too.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:45 AM
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11. that is beautiful and amazing...
thank you...

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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 12:51 AM
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13. What a sweet story.
I felt myself tearing up when Koko cried. ;(
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-08 03:15 AM
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14. Awwww, precious.
I think animals should take over the world, we humans seemed to have phucked it up.
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