Which Rock & Roll band should be in the Hall of Fame, but isn't?

Now remember. It's 25 years from their first album to qualify. For the life of me, I can't understand why Genesis isn't in. Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks and Steve Hackett. Pre Abacab. This band was great.

Too goddamned many people have been in the band for you to know exactly WHO to induct. And usually (as it is with the Misfits) you have principal members who fucking hate each other's guts and would probably never agree on the list.

Obviously Graves and the rest of the NewShits crowd shouldn't be eligible, but who would be?

I don't acknowledge the existence of "The Misfits" after Halloween 1983. But even before then, you're talking a lot of people.




* Glenn Danzig (Glenn Anzalone) – vocals, electric piano (1977–1983)
* Diane DiPiazza – bass guitar (1977)
* Jimmy Battle – guitar (1977)
* Manny Martínez – drums (1977)
* Jerry Only (Gerald Caiafa) – bass guitar, vocals (1977–1983)
* Franché Coma (Frank Licata) – guitar (1977–1978)
* Mr. Jim (Jim Catania) – drums (1978)
* Bobby Steele – guitar (1978–1980)
* Joey Image (Joey Poole) – drums (1978–1979)
* Arthur Googy (Joseph McGuckin) – drums (1980–1982)
* Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein (Paul Caiafa) – guitar (1980–1983)
* Robo (Roberto Valverde) – drums (1982–1983)
* Brian Damage (Brian Keats) – drums (1983)


You could probably leave Brian Damage out, because he never played on any records, and the Hall of Fame inductions are always based on recorded output. But that leaves 12 people on stage, most of whom hate at least one of the others. It would be entertaining at least. :rofl:

Danzig, Only, Doyle and Robo.

He played the drums on "Walk Among Us" which was probably their best record. At least out of the albums that actually were released when they should have been (as opposed to "Static Age" or "12 Hits from Hell", which still isn't legally released)

Doyle is legacy. He wasn't their best guitarist.

Never failed. Never. They were great. Robin Zander was the man.

In 1978 or so. And vowed to never again get so wasted at a concert that I wouldn't remember it. And I haven't.

The Spectrum in Philly. Three people died. Watched one dive off the the catwalk. Incredible.

I don't miss them.

I watch Dazed and Confused every year, just to remind me.

Hardest workin' band in show biz. Cheap Trick rocks.

The records he produced usually did better than his own stuff.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Rundgren

To this day, Andy and Colin speak ill of him ,but it was one hell of an album. Their best.

Also, Gabriel as a solo artist qualifies and is not in.

This I do not get as well. Along with his musical innovations he has done a ton for the industry technologically.

When he left the band after The Lamb Lies Down, the remaining members auditioned hundreds of singers. Didn't miss a beat when Collins took over. Song for song, Trick of the Tail could be their best. Wind and the Wuthering and And Then There were Three are no slouches, either.

but have mixed feelings due to the context in which Gabriel left/was encouraged to leave. It makes it hard for me to listen to early post-Gabriel Genesis without thinking of what a crappy thing a bunch of young guys did to a bandmate whose wife was having pregnancy complications. I know Collins and a couple of the other guys have publicly apologized in more recent years, but it's still a bitter pill to swallow.

Regardless, what Gabriel has done after Genesis is worthy in its own right. They both deserve induction, as a band and as a solo artist.

Gabriel is a genius. Not many who deserve that moniker, but he's one. Selling England by The Pound. Still one of my faves. You are correct on both counts.

I spent a lot of time in high school trying to ferret out its meaning. I still have my "annotated" version of the liner notes hanging around somewhere.

That's a great album to get high by, as is Selling England. I love the story about the big fight about "The Battle of Epping Forest" ("Here come the cavalry"). "Firth of Fifth" was one of the first things I learned by ear on the piano (versus sheet music).

I love the keyboards. Then Gabriel's haunting lilt to close it out. Brilliant.

*sigh*

But then, neither was Chic.

A lot of rockers and critics hate hate hate bands like Rush, Genesis, and Yes because they make it look so difficult that they intimidate people from picking up instruments, compared to a band like the Kinks, who, you walk out of a show and go, "shit, I can do THAT!"

Tales from Topographic Oceans. Rick Wakeman, Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Chris Squier and Bill Bruford. Man.

and every time was a treat.

Everyone should get the opportunity to have as much fun as Chris Squire doing whatever it is they do. They are truly a musician's band.

I regret that.

it's worth the money.

You will leave happy. Both in the "wow, they did a great show and I am musically fulfilled" sense and the "wow, I am in a very good mood" sense.

If they come around, check 'em out. You will enjoy the experience.

Last time I checked Anderson is teaming up with Vangelis . New Age. Which, I love.

I'm not a big fan of the Jon & Vangelis stuff, m'self. It's musically OK, but not my cup of tea lyrically.

Best I could gather he wasn't on the current Yes tour because he was having vocal problems, not because of his other projects. I'm assuming those problems will be resolved and he'll be out with them again.

But with a singer who sounds identical.

They have some western US shows coming up next month. I'm attending two of them.

http://www.yesworld.com/ywtour.html

Yes I know they invented power chord rock.

"Preservation Act II" is complex and ranges over lots of different styles -- vaudeville "Oh Where is Love", "Mirror of Love"; hard rock -- "He's Evil", recitative -- all over the place, Salvation Army Band -- "We are the New Centurions, Shepherds of the Nation".


"Preservation Act II" is not to be confused with "Village Green Preservation Society".

Preservation Act II is a double album. The lyrics are amazing. The critics didn't like it but I think it's much better than "Tommy" and it has never gotten its due as a rock opera.

band.

They were one of the ealier inductees and deservedly so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_Induction_Ceremony

thanks!

See my sig line if you want to know who they are

I would have called it, "Which Rock & Roll band (besides Rush) should be in the Hall of Fame, but isn't?"

I mean, clearly the first answer is Rush. The real question would be, who's second?

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Progressive Rock has gotten a raw deal.

So maybe that's why they haven't made it. Personally, I think if a metal man should be in, it's Ronnie James Dio.

Fit the music quite well. If Rolling Stone can name Aretha Franklin as the greatest R&R singer, than ANYTHING is possible.

and both of them are in there

Like them or not, there is no good objective reason why they should not have been inducted 10 years ago!

The R&R Hall of Fame has zero credibility until Rush is given their (over)due recognition.

Ray Danniels is one of the biggest fucking assholes in the music industry. He's all but destroyed every band he's ever done business with, with Rush being the only exception. But he might be the reason the Hall of Fame is keeping their distance from the only band from Canada that truly deserves induction. :evilfrown:

...without a doubt.

I was shocked when I realized that weren't in there yet.

I don't like their music as much after Gabriel, but I still like them a whole lot. They still would have long and instrumental tracks that were very interesting.

That being said, nothing beats "Lamb". Hackett was a monster.

Well said.

I was in a prog band for a while where three of us were keyboardists (not all of us played keys in the band; we all just played a bunch of instruments).

When we auditioned a keyboardist they had to be able to play the opening to Firth of Fifth along with whatever else they showed us (one guy had transcribed it, in case the auditioner didn't know it). We weeded out a LOT of people that way. :rofl:

Keith Emerson was quite good.

I don't think that does him credit. ;)

I'm envious.

Have you ever heard him play Scott Joplin? It's simply incomprehensible -- both the speed and the accuracy.

My wife hates them. Brain Salad Surgury. Classic. Karn Evil#9.

Only one of the three of us could play it (and it wasn't me, by any stretch).

What a talented bunch of human beings. Every time I hear that song my brain falls out, and only because my fingers won't fall off.

He is like one of those birds that just seems to glide, the body doesn't move at all, but the feet are going 1,000 mph. That's the way it is with his fingers.

I love the atmosphere that his keyboard and Hackett's guitar brought to their music.

that so many extraordinarily talented people found each other in the same place at the same time to make a band.

Absolutely amazing.

They used classical stuff well, too.
When I was in college, everybody was listening to The Great Gate of Kiev.

And in the middle of "I Believe in Father Christmas" there is an excerpt from the Lieutenant Kije Suite by Sergei Prokofief.


Good stuff.

The best rock musicians are trained in classical and/or jazz.

People who cut their teeth on classical music and get bored with it generally go into jazz, as classical and jazz are the only two complex forms of music.

See:Jean Luc Ponty from the Paris Conservatory.

ELP headlined. It is ingrained in my memory. Does the video exist? ELP, Sabbath and Black Oak Arkansas. I've got to see it again.

I was born too late.

I always have wondered how fucking Blondie made it in, but they didn't.

Much better than anything Blondie did, IMHO.

In fact Ben Orr (the Cars' bass player) was referred to as the male Debbie Harry.

The Cars & Candy O are still regulars on my turntable.

My all-time favorite album, ever.

R.I.P. Mr. Orr. Your talents are missed.

on edit: Do you have Ben Orr's solo album (The Lace)? I just DL'ed it from Amazon after having not listened to it for years, as I no longer have a turntable or tape deck.

Great album!

I'll have to find it.

They deserve it and they should have been added.

My sister turned me on to that album, HeeB. Wow. To this day, ahead of it's time. Days of Future Passed, arguably, rang in prog rock.

They played an integral part in my growing up

Justin Hayward. Rolling Stone always called them pompous. John Lennon hung around them, so, how bad could they be?

oh.yes.

Moody Blues are great. They cranked out many excellent albums!!!

I think they got better after their early stuff.

I have Long Distance Voyager - "In Your Wildest Dreams" :bounce:

:hug: :hi:

Without slamming big hair/stretch pants bands, I think I won't say who.....

X



Tikki

What a gentleman. Hey, baby, it was the third of July. See How We Are is one of my favorites.

His post-X solo stuff has also been quite solid, as well, IMHO.

Their sound influences can be heard spread throughout so many
young bands that came after.

Tikki

25 after they start or from first recording? Yes, I agree X should get in.

all three.

the band i named is only 21 years out from their first release...whoops.

I saw them at Winterland...the "Wind and Wuthering" tour, basically the same set list that ended up as the "Seconds Out" album.

"Supper's Ready" was unbelievable...the photo on the front cover of Seconds Out:



...this was the "With the Gods of Magog swarming around, the Pied Piper leads his children underground" section. Collins came down from the drums and stood there, in a white suit, hit by those white lights, surrounded by the fog machines, and spit out the lyrics while the band just cranked. The unquestionable highlight of the show was the interplay between Collins and Chester Thompson when they would both be playing drums, especially "Los Endos."

Hackett was especially impressive, playing his gold-top Les Paul with passion and precision and a refreshing lack of "rock star moves" (he basically stood still and played).

As a fan of the "Trick of the Tail" and "Wind And Wuthering" Genesis, I felt betrayed and pissed off when they released "...and Then There Were Three." I knew that Hackett's departure meant that he'd be taking a big chunk of the band's sound with him, but I never dreamed that they would re-invent themselves as a pop act.

Later attempts to jump back into the "jamming prog" arena (like "Second Home By The Sea") lacked any true heat or sincerity. It was as if they were tossing a bone to the long-time fans so that they would continue to buy Genesis albums.

:toast:

Skipped school. Went to my house. Cases and cases of beer. Squonk ALWAYS kicked off the show. Seconds Out. Cheers!

First ballot.

They have to be close to eligibility by now.

Obviously, Nirvana. Pearl Jam. Guns & Roses. After that, who???

Maybe now that Ron Asheton has died :(, maybe they'll actually have a chance this year.

Along with Metallica and Run-DMC

Joey had to die first. (and Dee Dee & Johnny died shortly after):evilfrown:

Joe Strummer also died before the Clash was officially inducted, but I believe they were actually voted in shortly before his passing.

The original American Punks...

God they bring back great memories.

"Oh baby come on, let me show you where the action is..."

hacks rode the stylish coatails of those lovelable Liverpulians...

At an oldies concert.

They were a blast!!!
Even without Mark Lindsay and his stretch pants.

The headliners were The Four Tops. Except that there were only three of them. They KILLED.

even after Dick Clark got a hold of them.

when i was at Trader Joe's on Saturday, "Just Like Me" was playing. i got all hopped up into a sweet teenybopper reverie....

They are eligible, and I have no idea why they haven't been inducted.

Metallica and The Stooges are being inducted this year, and rightly so.

There are some acts who haven't yet hit the 25 year eligibility mark, but who seem like obvious picks:

The Pogues
Public Enemy
Steve Earle

Soon, Front 242.

No surprise, though.

It took 5+ years for Jan Wenner's little boondoggle to induct The Velvet Underground, maybe the most influential and important band in rock history after The Beatles

The MC5, Joni Mitchell and Patti Smith had to wait forever, too - while Madonna got in instantly

The whole thing's a joke

The most underrated singer of all time.

Popularity through the roof, music listened to by almost everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

but I do like the song. Just funning around.

??!!

well, no one else was gonna say it.
but really, there contribution to punk and rock in general is enormous and there induction, in my opinion, is long over due.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxsZMRUCnPQ

complaining about it.

Oh sorry...thought this was the Baseball Hall of Fame.

since they basically seem like a Zep clone...

You aren't serious, though, are you?

I purposely thought of the three biggest ripoff bands that should never be allowed into the HOF (for what that's worth, anyway). No offense to your son's tastes though.

He grew up listening to alt/ indie stuff like Capt. Beefheart, weird jazz, and world pop, including throat singing, so I'm not sure what happened! :rofl:


I didn't think you were serious.



for a while, I heard that "Woman" song by Wolfmother for hours on end.... :eyes:

based on their ripoff sound. Except Nickelback. They only rip themselves off.

They started out as a manufactured image.

But fought for their own creativity once the media caught on to the 'act'.

They won their battle.

They followed up with 'Headquarters', which is one hell of an album.

Even Michael Nesmith got a couple of songs in before they got total autonomy.

Their stuff is solid, and rather substantial given they were seen as a "bubblegum" band.

Unlike singers who have nothing to do with rock and roll, the Monkees genuinely deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

the Monkees but you beat me to it.

They were one of the first to show the power of using video and television to sell music.

.....HATES the Monkees. They will never get in.

Now I LOVE the Monkees (My favorite song ever by them was "Don't Call On Me", and "All Of Your Toys" would have been a bigger hit than "I'm a Believer" if it had ever been released), have the box set, all the show DVD's and several Mike Nesmith albums........but on pure objectivity the Don Kirshner era using other musicians is probably a good enough reason to keep them out. It was a black mark they were never going to erase. They really only had less than one year of chart power after that, and some of the stuff they were doing at the bitter end as a trio by their own choosing was as bad/worse as the stuff that ended up on the first two albums.

There are a lot of bands I don't think anyone can make any argument as to why they aren't in (like Genesis or Rush), but there are just enough reasons to keep the Monkees out.

But I can still counter most of your admittedly good points:


The group's bitter breakdown can be equated with the Mamas and the Papas**, who also had a 2 year stint, and yet they were inducted into the hall of fame...

Also, Madonna** (a solo vocal pop artist and not a band, so she rather had to use other musicians) did not write some of her most famous songs ("Material Girl", "Like a Virgin", and a handful of others), did not play instruments, et cetera... :D

But the black mark of being set up by Kirschner still kills the deal. Until other made-up boy and girl bands end up in the HoF (e.g. spice girls, backstreet boys, menudo), and no doubt the Rolling Stone guy would love to do that. Which would be the biggest insult of them all should any modern made-up groups get in and not "The Monkees". Kirschner should have been honest in the first place. A can of worms, that was... oh well.


** source of these claims came from wikipedia

Not a huge Mama's and Papa's fan, but they are sort of ingrained in the natural development of the folk/rock era of the 60's, well-respected, etc.....

As far as Madonna......well she is not rock, but let's face it, pop is rock in it's own way. And a solo vocalist gets the pass as far as playing instruments, just like no one will discredit Elvis for having studio session men, or Sinatra for having Count Basie's orchestra behind him. It's tougher to make an argument for a band when for two full albums it was just mostly one or two members singing (A trend that sadly came back during the post "Head" days as well).

I really don't think the Backstreet Boys or Spice Girls will ever get in. The only upside to putting anyone in that Hall Of Fame is getting them to perform on stage if they can or show how smart one is for knowing music history, and 15 years from now no one will care about them or want to see them and certainly no one will use it to display music knowledge cred.

Best prog-rock band.

Lemmy IS god!

http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical-list/

a
AC/DC
Paul Ackerman
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Animals
Louis Armstrong
Chet Atkins

b
LaVern Baker
Hank Ballard
The Band
Frank Barsalona
Dave Bartholomew
Ralph Bass
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
The Bee Gees
Benny Benjamin
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Chris Blackwell
Hal Blaine
Bobby “Blue” Bland
Blondie
Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys
Booker T. and the M.G.’s
David Bowie
Charles Brown
James Brown
Ruth Brown
Jackson Browne
Buffalo Springfield
Solomon Burke
James Burton
The Byrds

c
Johnny Cash
Ray Charles
Leonard Chess
Charlie Christian
Eric Clapton
Dick Clark
The Clash
The Coasters
Eddie Cochran
Leonard Cohen
Nat “King” Cole
Sam Cooke
Elvis Costello & the Attractions
Floyd Cramer
Cream
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby Stills and Nash
King Curtis

d
Bobby Darin
The Dave Clark Five
Clive Davis
Miles Davis
The Dells
Bo Diddley
Dion
Willie Dixon
Fats Domino
Tom Donahue
The Doors
Steve Douglas
The Drifters
Bob Dylan

e
The Eagles
Earth, Wind & Fire
Duane Eddy
Nesuhi Ertegun
Ahmet Ertegun
The Everly Brothers

f
Leo Fender
The Flamingos
Fleetwood Mac
The Four Seasons
The Four Tops
Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers
Aretha Franklin
Alan Freed

g
Milt Gabler
Marvin Gaye
Gerry Goffin and Carole King
Berry Gordy, Jr.
Bill Graham
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
The Grateful Dead
Al Green
Woody Guthrie
Buddy Guy

h
Bill Haley
John Hammond
George Harrison
Isaac Hayes
Herb Alpert & Jerry Moss
Billie Holiday
Holland, Dozier and Holland
Buddy Holly
John Lee Hooker

i
The Impressions
The Ink Spots
The Isley Brothers

j
Mahalia Jackson
Michael Jackson
The Jackson Five
James Jamerson
Etta James
Elmore James
Jefferson Airplane
Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Billy Joel
Little Willie John
Elton John
Johnnie Johnson
Robert Johnson
Janis Joplin
Louis Jordan

k
Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff
B. B. King
The Kinks
Gladys Knight and the Pips

l
Lead Belly
Led Zeppelin
Brenda Lee
John Lennon
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
Little Walter
Lovin’ Spoonful
Lynyrd Skynyrd

m
Madonna
The Mamas and the Papas
Bob Marley
Martha and the Vandellas
George Martin
Curtis Mayfield
Paul McCartney
Clyde McPhatter
John Mellencamp
Joni Mitchell
Bill Monroe
The Moonglows
Scotty Moore
Van Morrison
Jelly Roll Morton

n
Syd Nathan
Ricky Nelson

o
The O’Jays
Roy Orbison
The Orioles
Mo Ostin
Johnny Otis

p
Earl Palmer
Parliament-Funkadelic
Les Paul
Carl Perkins
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Sam Phillips
Wilson Pickett
Pink Floyd
Gene Pitney
The Platters
The Police
Doc Pomus
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Lloyd Price
Prince
Professor Longhair

q
Queen

r
Ma Rainey
Bonnie Raitt
Ramones
Otis Redding
Jimmy Reed
R.E.M.
Righteous Brothers
Smokey Robinson
Jimmie Rodgers
The Rolling Stones
The Ronettes

s
Sam and Dave
Santana
Pete Seeger
Bob Seger
Sex Pistols
Del Shannon
The Shirelles
Paul Simon
Simon and Garfunkel
Percy Sledge
Sly and the Family Stone
Bessie Smith
Patti Smith
The Soul Stirrers
Phil Spector
Dusty Springfield
Bruce Springsteen
The Staple Singers
Steely Dan
Seymour Stein
Rod Stewart
Jim Stewart
The Supremes

t
Talking Heads
James Taylor
The Temptations
Allen Toussaint
Traffic
Big Joe Turner
Ike and Tina Turner

u
U2

v
Ritchie Valens
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Ventures
Gene Vincent

w
T-Bone Walker
Dinah Washington
Muddy Waters
Jann S. Wenner
Jerry Wexler
The Who
Hank Williams
Jackie Wilson
Howlin’ Wolf
Stevie Wonder

y
Jimmy Yancey
The Yardbirds
Neil Young
The (Young) Rascals

z
ZZ Top
Frank Zappa

In my opinion, he invented Heavy Metal back in the 1950's

The Runaways and/or Joan Jett

Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Gillan who, by the way, was the ORIGINAL Jesus in "Jesus Christ, Superstar"

2. KISS

3. Ted Nugent

4. Iggy/Stooges

5. Runaways/Joan Jett

all are legit. I believe The Stooges get in this year. KISS was the MOST overrated band- along with AC/DC. Ted's politics are killing him. The Runaways- interesting. Led the way for all the Girrrrlll bands.

The Shangri Las. Their dramatic songs described exactly what a rock-n-roller is. "He's good bad but he's not evil!"

Iron Maiden,
Judas Priest,
Twisted Sister,
Ronnie James Dio