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southerngirlwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:16 AM
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Need help with a writing project
I'm writing talking points about the gay marriage issue, using arguments that successfully moved my freeper mother from a not-as-bad-as-Phelps-but-pretty-bad position to support for civil unions.

Anyway, I've never written talking points before. I think I'm going to do them in this format:

One-line summary of a usual freeper argument here.

Solid refutation of same using their own language and terms, explained carefully so that their sub-normal IQs can comprehend it, here.

So, if anyone wants to suggest a one-line summary of a freeper argument against gay marriage/gay rights for inclusion, feel free. I'm going to bed soon, as I am due at church in less than 8 hours, but I will add anything not already covered to my talking points (which I'll be posting sometime Sunday night).

:hi: Goodnight, y'all! Thanks for any suggestions you care to offer!


SGW
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:22 AM
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1. two words: equal rights
every other arguement - for or against - is bogus.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:25 AM
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2. Basic Freeper arguments

  1. It isn't "natural". (response, Bonobo apes, budgies etc. see http://members.shaw.ca/trogl/orient.html)
  2. it's always been man-woman (see Boswell)
  3. it will destroy marriage as an institution (see Britney Spears)
  4. the same arguments can be used for polygamy (logical fallacy - so what?)
  5. it will destroy civilization (logical fallacy - slippery slope)
  6. it will destroy the world (see above)
  7. it will cause earthquakes, fires, etc. (Sodom was about inhospitability)
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:26 AM
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3. here's some:
gay marriage diminishes hetero marriages

gay marriage will destory the fabric on which this country was founded

gay marriage is unbiblical

god hates fags

gay marriage will confuse children

gay marriage is not viable because a marriage is for people to have children

marriage is about one man, one woman

never in history has homosexual union been recognized; thus, it is against the natural order

my minister told me it was wrong

leviticus says it is wrong

Jesus never said it was acceptable

rabrrrrrr needs a $75,000 a year grant, in perpetuity, adjusted for inflation each year

gays can't have children

and since it's freeper points, we have to put in at least one alluding to their obsession: Clinton read books with big words

Gays want to convert our children to the gay lifestyle

allowing gay marriage will cause every person in the world to become gay (really tells you something about the freeper mentality when they say that, doesn't it? Makes me think that every freeper is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO clostedly gay that he's afraid he might have to come out of the closet if gay marriages are allowed, which really speaks far more against that guy's church than it does against him, and i find that unfathomably sad that someone should spend so much of their life in such pain and denial)

It will ruin the economy

Calling it "Civil Unions" is good enough

Gays have AIDS because it is God's judgment, and if we allow gays to marry, then we, the hardworking American Christian taxpayers who never, ever cheat or lie about anything, will be forced to pay EVEN MORE in taxes to provide healthcare for these heathens who got a disease becuase of their own lifestyle choice

I'd say more, but I feel so dirty now thinking like a freeper, I don't dare say any more. I have to go to church in the morning, and I'd like to go with at least a somewhat clear conscience.
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:26 AM
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4. My favorite argument: "marriage is for children!"
One of the arguments against gay marriage that's made often is that since the function of marriage is procreation, a gays should not be allowed to enter into matrimony as they would not be able to fulfill that function.
Of course the obvious counter-argument is that plenty of heterosexual marriages don't result in children either, either by choice or biological difficulty: should these unions also be invalidated?
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 02:34 AM
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5. the equal rights thing has already been covered... so... how bout this:
thier whole basis of the man-woman marrige thing is allowing homosexual people to marry will (actuial bush quote) "corrupt and destroy the sacred and holy institution of marrige" now from this springs 2 talking points.

1. The seperation of church and state: calling something sacred and holy in an amendment or using it as the basis for an amendment will insinuate if not blatantly state a government sponsored religion, not necessarily one religion, because its not exclusive to christianity, but would still be sponsoring religion.

2. if Marrige is so 'sacred and holy' why do we allow divorces? the divorce rates alone speak to the destruction of marrige as an institutional lifelong promise. yet you dont hear bush or jerry falwell bitching about divorce, just homosexual marrige.

also, not so much a constitutional talking point as something to throw at conservatives:

conservatives have usuially been for state's rights, this amendment would take away a state's right to choose, not a very conservative idea. (this idea needs development, but its a start)

well those are my basic ideas, kinda undeveloped because im not usuially involved in the gay rights issues, only recently when one of my friends came out did i get involved. if you want me to further explain pm me and ill flesh it out and post back


phew... thats my half intellegent post for the night

-LK
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