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elana i am Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:30 PM
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dave ramsey, financial guru...
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 06:31 PM by elana i am
i've never heard of him. my dad called just now and tried to talk me and my sister into going to one of his live events. he even offered to pay for the tickets. is this ramsey dude for real or is it a scam? i looked at his website briefly and got a hinky vibe from it.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:46 PM
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1. he's for real
there's a few threads about him in GD right now, as he has a radio show and is quite the right-winger (like many others on the radio).

His financial advice is quite good if you can get past his political rants.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:51 PM
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3. I agree- you have to overlook his politics.
I listen every day. Sometimes I have to turn it off when he goes on a rant/monologue.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:55 PM
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4. Yes, he's a winger. His radical get out of debt process is hard,
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 07:19 PM by Common Sense Party
it's plain common sense, and it works.

Don't listen to the guy on investing. He's STILL telling people to expect 12% annual compounded rates of return on their growth stock mutual funds.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:10 PM
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8. He's still in denial.
Just a month ago he was on a "only 7% of the people are unemployed" kick. He thought the economy wasn't in all that bad of a shape. Financial guru? NOPE. He just has a few good ideas on how to get out of debt.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:48 PM
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2. He isn't a "financial guru", he is a get out of debt guy.
Does he have some good ideas? Yes. He advises you to build up an emergency fund, get rid of the credit cards, pay off debt effectively & how to stay out of debt. If you have a history of being in debt & struggling with it, he may help you. I would say he is worth listening to if you have debt problems.

On the down side, his ideas are not his own, he is a bit of a pompous ass on his radio show who always reminds his audience that he is a millionaire. His claim to fame? He went bankrupt at a young age, learned from his mistakes and makes money sharing it with others. Oh,he also uses way too much religion in his show.

I listen to his show every day. Why? Because I find the callers stories interesting and tragic. People call in on a regular basis with amazing amounts of debt and Dave tries to steer them in the right direction. I suggest you listen to his show & tell Dad to save his money. (unless you are struggling with debt)
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:56 PM
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5. And you can listen to the show for free on his website.
At least 1 hour of it. It can also be downloaded as a podcast.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:58 PM
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7. "get rid of the credit cards"? No. Learn to use them to your advantage.
My Discover credit card saves me hundreds of dollars a year.
No annual fee.
Cash back on all purchases.
Saves postage on monthly bills I pay by card.
And I pay EVERYTHING by card.

caveat: If you don't have the self discipline to use them ONLY for ordinary purchases, stuff you have to buy anyway, then don't use 'em.
If you can't pay the entire bill, EVERY month, don't use 'em.
If 'shopping' is a hobby, don't use 'em.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:14 PM
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9. Unfortunately you are the exception.
You would not believe some of the people calling in with six figure credit card balances & seven year auto loans at 700 bucks a month.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:30 PM
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13. Yeah, I know. It was a hard lesson for me.
First time I got laid off and had an outstanding balance.
Never again.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:21 PM
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10. And how does Discover pay for all those goodies they give you?
How is that a profitable long-term business model for them?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:28 PM
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12. They pay ME in ca$h money.
And I'm probably one of their few customers who does what I outline.
So if you have the card, and don't do what I said, I guess you're paying my ca$h back.
Sorry.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:27 AM
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18. No, not me. I don't do credit much, and I never do Discover.
No, all the indentured servants in the country who are in debt up to their eyeballs are paying for your goodies. As long as you're happy about that, and they are, too, I guess there's no problem.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:53 PM
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16. They nick the retailer with a 2-4% service charge on every sale.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:58 PM
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6. There's no "scam," he's just selling basic, common sense advice
He makes his money by selling books, tapes, tickets to his training classes, and advertising for his radio show.

Just listen to his shows on the website and you'll get a good feel for what he does.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:25 PM
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11. He has a very down-to-earth, no bull approach
I think you could gain useful info, especially since it's free. Just ignore the RW Christian rants, which I don't think he gets too carried away with. He also has a book that I'm sure you can get from the library.
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elana i am Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:36 PM
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14. thanks everyone!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:50 PM
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15. He is my dog's favorite radio host
She will lay down in front of the radio and only bother me during commercials.

It is truly bizarre.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:56 PM
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17. A mixed bag of all of the above: Wingnut. No deep discovery (of his). Fundie.
Just broke into my local radio wingnut line-up about a month ago. At first he struck me as a powerful force. Then I started hearing his sign-offs, something about "walking with the Prince of Peace." Then I looked up Wiki and a couple of things, and his background was that he declared bankruptcy (which he now excoriates his callers out of doing). Then, after getting the "debt free" thingy drummed into me the few snatches I was listening to him a couple of days per week, it dawned on me that he wasn't doing anything different from what my mother did when she pored over the bills and paid things off with an aversion to being in debt, and certainly not being in arrears.

Without knowing what I was doing, I had it engrained in me to pay things off ASAP. So my mother did what he now advocates withOUT the peaks of drama he had in his previous life.


But this is a common phenomenon: Back in the ('90s?), the Seven Habits dude was raking in Brazillions from speaking fees for his stuff, particularly the "paradigm shift" concept, which appeared (on the SURFACE) to be a profound insight. After a couple of years when we had his message hawked at us at the workplace, I realized that this "paradigm shift" thingy was NOTHING NEW. It has ALWAYS been around, how we make assumptions about what we see around us, perceptions of others, WITHOUT knowing the back story, then we are "shocked" when we learn the missing details and our whole assumption is "shifted".

Good topic. Ought to be in GD for (wider?) distribution. K&R.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:02 AM
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19. He is for real. He is conservative though and very religious.
He does, however, give sound financial advice.
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