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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 AM
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Poll question: The DU Paranormal Poll - is your place of residence haunted?
If you have more than 1 place of residence (your house, apartment, etc.), then use your main one. I do not live in a haunted house.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 AM
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1. there is no such thing as a "spirit world" or whatever you want to call it
no ghosts.
no goblins(hob, knob, or otherwise).
no spooks.
no supernatural.
Evil exists- but only in the hearts and minds of humans.
when you die, you're dead, and you and your 'eternal soul' are no more.

the sooner the more people realize these simple truths, the better off we'll be.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 AM
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2. Well, I don't agree
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 12:23 AM by mvd
Except with the evil part maybe. It could be part of non-evolved souls. There's more to it than we think IMO. Science should never be limited to what we know right now. It's a constant quest for knowledge.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:25 AM
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4. Uh-huh...
and you have proof of that right?

No goblins, fair enough.

No spooks, well there really are CIA agents, I've seen them.

No ghosts? :shrug: I have seen no proof one way or the other. I assume you have startling, definitive proof that ghosts do not exist?

No supernatural? I have seen some odd things. Things that may be supernatural or maybe they were just natural. I do not have any definite proof one way or the other. Do you?

After death nothing happens? I am glad you know that for certain. Isn't that just a tad arrogant of you, given that you are, well, alive?

:evilgrin:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:29 AM
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5. He's accepting the default position...
there's no evidence for ghosts, goblins or even souls.

For millennia, mankind has been improving its understanding of the world around us. Many things once thought supernatural are now natural. NOTHING has ever been shown to be supernatural. We now understand thunder and lightning - no need for angry Gods to be the cause. We now understand schizophrenia - no need for demonic possession and talking spirits.

If all the people who claim they can see and speak with dead souls, how come not ONE of those souls is able to tell us anything that proves their existence?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:02 AM
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11. Well, it's often the word of the person
Because spirits are limited in how they can communicate. Also, how can you document something we don't have the knowledge to understand? But this isn't really a debate board, so I'll just agree to disagree.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:19 AM
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15. Of course we can debate here!
Happens a thousand times a day!

Why are spirits limited in how they can communicate? People like Sylvia Browne, James van Praagh and John Edward all claim to be able to communite fairly well with them. Why can't ONE of them tell us something that would prove their existence?

Why don't we have the knowledge to understand spirits? We've understood plenty of difficult things - relativity, quantum mechanics, etc. etc. What's different about spirits?

It seems you're defining spirits in such a way that they CAN'T be proven to exist. But there's no basis for your defining them that way, other than that it excuses the entire lack of evidence for them.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:26 AM
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16. That's what I wanna know!
If spirits exist, why'd they pick John Edward? Do they all just flock around him, hoping someone they know will be in the audience? Why don't they just go straight to the person and say, "I'm here, and my name is G or J"?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:29 AM
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18. John Edward is a phony IMO
We can't agree on much with this subject, but we can agree here.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:41 AM
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19. It's not that I don't believe
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 01:42 AM by neebob
just that I'm leaning in the other direction. The thing I've been pondering lately is consciousness. People have consciousness and personalities. So do animals. Bugs probably have consciousness, too, and perhaps even personalities. To me this supports the theory that it's all just a product of having a brain and not a separate entity that takes up residence in the body.

Then again, it's really amazing and weird that any of this exists to begin with. If it's all just a big accident of evolution, I still have to ask why it exists and what came before. So, you see, I'm not totally skeptible.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:45 AM
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20. Well, I'm not totally convinced, either
It would be silly to be, IMO. I could see other dimensions existing, so I can see more existing than the matter in our brains. The products of our brains are so amazing and complex that I can see something more at work.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:26 AM
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17. I don't think we know..
so it's a matter of opinion. Plus, this is just a poll on if you think your place is haunted. I don't think spirits are supposed to reveal all to us.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:32 AM
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6. absolutely ZERO documented occurances of any supernatural nature-
in the entire history of our species is proof enough for me.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:02 PM
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27. Then you'd better have a talk with the ghost
that walks up and down my hall.

Nice chap, really, if a bit confused.
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Squeegee Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:22 AM
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3. I want to live in a haunted house
it would be fun and me and the ghosts could have tea parties.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:33 AM
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7. I have been to places where there supposedly was paranormal...
things going on, and I have seen and felt things I cannot explain, but until something pops up and scares the crap out of me, I'm pretty much a skeptic on such things.

This is not to say I don't fancy the possibility of such things happening, I just need proof. I have what I believe proof in some other areas, but spooks need a little more in the proof dept for me.

O8)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:54 AM
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9. This is how I see it
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 12:55 AM by mvd
When something is unexplained, I need proof for either side. I believe in the paranormal, but I'm not sure about it. I mean, we thought the world was flat at one time. :-)
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:01 AM
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10. I used to believe in souls and ghosts and stuff
and I still want to, but lately I'm becoming more logical.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:03 AM
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12. I don't see it as illogical to believe
As I said above, it's something I don't understand.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:12 AM
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13. I didn't say you were illogical
just that I am becoming more logical. And my logic tells me these entities I want to believe in probably don't exist. Your logic may be telling you something else.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:16 AM
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14. Can't argue with that
My logic tells me that these things may have to do with science, but probably not as we know it. :hi:
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:04 PM
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21. not everyone thought the world was flat-
it seems to me that the flat-earthers of yesteryear are the supernaturalists of today.

when science can't answer their questions to their satisfaction, they make up their own fantasyland answers.

as a society, at least we've been able to whittle things down to pretty much just one god- and his demise may be just a discovery or two away...
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:15 PM
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22. However..
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 03:15 PM by mvd
Not everyone says these things are based on what we know now. People have their own theories. Until I get proof the other way, I'm a believer.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:37 PM
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24. that's exactly how the flat-earthers felt about it.
until it was proved otherwise, they were willing to believe the insane rantings of people who didn't know the answers but made up wild fantasies of what might be out there.

i'm a believer too.
I believe in that which can be observed and proven.
for instance, Death is real- I've seen that people die.

until I see proof of something beyond that however, I have to believe that it's the end of the line for all of us.

has anybody ever presented any kind of proof of an immortal soul of any kind...?
I'd call it the ultimate urban legend, but that would be doing a disservice to urban legends, which usually have at least a grain of truth to them.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:00 PM
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26. Sorry, but that's not how I see it
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 04:07 PM by mvd
We'll just be going in circles. You won't get converts by trying to demean all religion and ideas out of what we see. I believe that something must have created everything, and that there's more to things than just this life. I believe there must be a purpose for life, too - not just a creation. Those things alone are enough for me. I don't even need the paranormal, though I think some things in the paranormal are signs. I'm not trying to convince you - and now that we've been over this so much, you might as well leave it alone.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:00 PM
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33. why do you believe there is a purpose for life?
I assume that by "purpose" you mean something other than just being a link in the terrestial food chain, correct?

what made you decide that there's a purpose for our existence?

and to what paranormal events do you point to as "signs"?

also-
if something created everything, as you state, then who or what created the Creator?

i think that people think about things too much...sit back and enjoy the ride- it'll be over before you know it.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:19 PM
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28. Flat Earthers are a relatively new breed...
there was proof some 4000 years ago that the earth was round and was in orbit around the sun. During the dark ages, the Catholic Church took up the position that the earth was flat, and the center of the universe.

The library at Alexandria had long ceased to exist, and much science of the time and previous times was lost heating the Roman baths. The few remaining scrolls show that much of what the ancient world knew as fact was distorted by ignorance and the search for power. Recent revelations have shown the ancients to be far more sophisticated than we ever thought.

As for paranormal events, who knows for sure?

O8)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:30 PM
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29. Proof is proof...
by that I mean, what one person considers 'proof' might not be. I have seen the shows with serious people walking through all kinds of scenarios and with all kinds of equipment, trying to 'prove' that spirits exist.

Yet, I have friends that tell me they have seen things that they cannot explain. I tend to go with those I know, and look at the others as people with good intentions, but a lack of realistic understanding. They are trying, but they are not doing something right.

I have heard footsteps in a hallway years ago, leading right up to the bedroom door of a friend of mine. He got up, opened the door, and no one was there. After the door was closed, the footsteps walked away from the door and back down the hall. Interesting, inexplainable by either of us, but not proof that a spook was around. His sister would here a little kid crying under her bed, nothing there, but the crying persisted. Still, interesting, but no proof.

Plenty of odd things happen, but how come these 'entities' just don't sit down and strike up a conversation?

Your guess is as good as mine.

O8)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:41 PM
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30. For one thing, entities are probably trapped here
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 04:42 PM by mvd
Some supposedly do talk. But I believe that they need to find their way to Heaven. Certain things may be energy of a sort we don't understand yet. The world being not being flat was an early discovery, but we still started out having to determine even that.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:58 PM
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35. Heaven?
according to christian mythology, when people die, they and their eternal souls lie dead in the grave until the last day, when jebus will return to judge the living and the dead...then they go to heaven, but definitely not before, despite how many cartoons you may have seen with newly deceased people standing on a cloud in front of a huge set of pearly gates, with st. peter kickin'ass and takin' names...

so...since it can't be lost souls enroute to heaven, whatta ya suppose it is...?
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:37 AM
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8. No, but some people think the building where I work is haunted
A couple of former co-workers who were into paranormal research did some experiments and got some debatable results. One co-worker, whose former space I now occupy, claims the ghost whispered in her ear and played little tricks on her, moving things around and messing with the lights. I'm kind of offended that it doesn't try to engage me, especially since I've spent many late nights alone in that building over the years. I don't think it likes me.

I also know a woman who believes her house is haunted by the original resident.

And yesterday I took some pictures at a party, one of which has one of those orb thingies, and another that has bizarre streaks of light. I've never had anything like this happen in six years of using this camera. I'm going to forward the pictures to the paranormal chick and ask her if she brought one of her invisible friends to the party.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:18 PM
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23. Yes, by me.
My eyes are said to be haunting.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:53 PM
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25. Was...
Up until a few weeks ago, I had a "spirit" in my home. A woman came over and removed her. It isn't worth the time to try to convince skeptics, because they will never believe unless it happens to them.
The information this woman gave to me about the spirit that was in my home was verified, but it was no easy task for me to do it. Luckily the man that lives next door has lived there for decades, and he filled me in on a lot of what she told me.
The information (names, dates, ect..) all made sense after I talked to the neighbor.
I have had a lot of experience in things like this, but nothing to that extreme. There is more going on with me right now, and I won't even get into it here. It is even beyond anything I have ever heard before.
I would never try to convince the skeptic of any of this, but I can say that I believe 100%. No way of proving to me it doesn't exist.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:44 PM
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31. Interesting that
43% of voters say something's going on in their place of residence. I didn't think it would be that high.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:48 PM
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32. We blame everything on the cats
Midnight crashes: cats
Doors mysteriously opening: cats
Things moved: cats
Strange rattling noises: cats
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:10 PM
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34. the Salem Witches
in the woods, right behind my house, is where the "Salem witches" fled to to escape persecution ... the good part is that they planted several billion blueberry bushes ...

is it haunted? let me say this ... there's no way in hell i would ever walk around back there on halloween ... you just don't want to be fooling around with stuff you probably don't really understand ...
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