That's it. It's over. BSG is over. (likely spoliers)

My brain just folded in on itself from that entire ending. It's... So confusing, so incomplete, and yet so fulfilling. I love it and I hate it.

Battlestar Galactica is over... And my mind has imploded.

It was a good ending for a fine show.

When Baltar outed her on the flight deck as having discovered her own corpse, he said something along the lines of "Angels walk amongst us."

We know that Baltar and Caprica Six saw angels, but what if Starbuck was one? Returns to the fleet by a higher power as a sort of guardian to the fleet, leading the human race to its end (not the end of the race, but the end of its journey maybe?), and she did end up finding Earth... Again.

That's the one thing I can't wrap my mind around... Two Earths? One nuked to hell, the other full of life? And how did the fleet find the new Earth?

It was mentioned in the show. the first earth,they never did show the shape of the continents,but they did for this "earth" and it was definitely earth.

Did they know about it all along? Did they pass it over because it was too primitive, because they were looking for an ADVANCED human civilization?

But not that I think about it, you're right. The continents on the "real" Earth (the nuked one) were never shown... So when they showed Earth at the end of Season 3... it was the REAL Earth (i.e., where they ended up today). if that's the case, then that's a very good trick they managed to pull...

Music is math, trying to put numbers to the notes. It works, at least as sci-fi.

That was made pretty explicit in the finale.

Adama said a million light years jump,so they must've originated in a smaller orbiting galaxy (like the Magellanic Clouds)?

Seems unlikely that 12 random constellations would be exactly the same. Yeah I know - it's SyFy.

What's a million and half light years, give or take? Don't read too much into it, I thought it was an offhand remark. Sort of like "I must have walked a million miles this week."

Starbuck used the notes as the coordinates for the jump since she didn't know the ones for the rendezvous. Once they realized where they were, they sent a raptor to the rendezvous & brought the rest of the fleet back with them.

dg

I love how it ties into alternate mythologies of how we came to exist on this planet.

"There are those who believe...that life here...began out there."

as Sam guided the fleet into the Sun? :cry:

dg

some of the centurions involved in the battle were the old-school ones as well.

... she was not aware of what she was: a "sleeper" angel, just as the Final Five Minus One were not aware of what they really were, until they started too hear "All Along the Watchtower." I think the dorian scale step numbers of the opening line of the song's melody were the jump "code" Kara entered before keying the FTL.

What exactly was Kara, and were people chasing down a rabbit hole when they assumed her father was Daniel, the missing 8th model cylon?

Ron Moore: Daniel is definitely a rabbit hole. It was an unintentional rabbit hole, to be honest. I was kind of surprised when I started picking up speculation online.

For those of you who don’t know, there was a deep part of the cylon backstory that had to do with one of the cylons that was created by the final five was later sort of aborted by Cavill… it was always intended just to be sort of an interesting bit of backstory about Cavill and his jealously. A Cain and Abel sort of allegory. Then people really started grabbing on to it and seizing on it as some major part of the mythology. In couple of interviews and in the last podcast I tried to go out of my way to say “look, don’t spend too much time and energy on this particular theory,” because it was never intended to be that major a piece of the mythology.

David Eick: It’s like Boxey in that way!

Moore: Kara is what you want her to be. It’s easy to put the label on her of “angel” or “messenger of God” or something like that. Kara Thrace died and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final end. That was her role, her destiny in the show… We debated back and forth in the writers’ room about giving it more clarity and saying definitively what she is. We decided that the more you try to put a name on it, the less interesting it became, and we just decided this was the most interesting way for her to go out, with her just disappearing and .

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/board/nest/133549139

:cry:

I loved it. I laughed, I cried, I said, "WTF?"

Though the series had some rocky spots in the third season, the last episodes were some of the most compelling TV I have ever watched

I can't think of another show with such great characters.

Sad, in several ways, but otherwise perfect. :-)

What a waste of a good show. I guess they ran out of ideas and didn't know where to take the show near the end. I guess if you want to end a story line without thinking about it, "God did it" is a good way to do it.

It's a perfect end,if you were paying attention.

I thought they'd at least attempt to explain some of the series major events with scientific answers but Gods and Angels was all we got. It was a very stylized and enjoyable series but the ending was a cop out.

The doctor made it clear their DNA was the same as ours. Baltar's dialogue made it perfectly clear that the whole thing was divine intervention. Head 6 has stated from the beginning of the series in "33" that it's all part of God's plan. When you get down to it, there's no real conflict between the idea of evolution being part of God's Plan. A VERY long range plan.

IMLHO, the real conflict / debate is between those that can accept the existence of God, and those that can't. You can't, so you dislike the ending, it's that simple.

A magical man in the sky is a waste of time when it comes to telling a story. Why tell the story at all when the ending is always a shoulder shrug and someone saying God works in mysteries ways? I know stories are about the journey but to take the whole series and its' rich universe and characters and squash it down to one singular theme, "God did it" was a waste. There's no point in even talking about the other problems with the ending because the answer to them all is "God did it."

I just wish I was less pissed about the ending because posting a rant about just proves how big of a nerd I really am. Sigh.

Perhaps I should let it go, but this confuses me all to pieces.

How could you possibly have expected anything else if you're a fan of the show? Have you disliked it all this time and simply chose now to rant about it?

What did you think the show was about anyway? As the previous poster said, we've known in some raw form that the elements in this ended would be there since the episode "33."

What I really don't get is that you seem to want a scientific explanation of some sort as an alternative. Scientific like being able to travel 1 million light years from where they started in four years? You have the science to explain that? And where is this gravity they seem to have on all the ships? I could go on for quite a long ways with these sorts of things.

The point is that this is fiction. There are several "cop outs" in this kind of fiction. It's a cop out to just take it on faith that there's enough gravity in every environment they encounter that prevents them from having to make *any* adjustments. It's a cop out to be able to make a ginormous space ship travel faster than light with the flick of a switch.

You're able to believe those things because you can take a leap of faith to believe in them, even though science has shown here in the real world that such things aren't possible. Your being unable to take a leap of faith with the show's spirituality is, then, not congruent. They both require magical thinking. In the context of fiction this is called suspension of disbelief. The question is whether the rules of the universe in which the story took place were followed, and I can't find an argument that says those rules were not followed. Spirituality, the existence of something or some things that are godlike or unexplained has been a part of it since the first day as well.

It's fine that you don't like it, but don't try to put it in this pseudo-scientific context that implies those of us who do are somehow anti-science. The point, in the context of the show, is that some things weren't explained. Guess what. Science hasn't yet explained everything.

On a personal level, I am thrilled not everything was explained in hard terms to the Nth degree. The best fiction allows the viewer/reader's mind to fill in gaps the way he or she wants to do so.

And Ronald Moore is loving this. :)

Isn;t in the technology.They are still people. Humans recognize that the imperative for civilization is to eternally move forward, They could have just rebuilt the damn ships now that the Cylons are gone, and waited till the colonies healed, or, better yet,progressed science to the point they could terraform other planets after we repopulate.Instead, a race of space travelers are now primitive farmers. No weapons to hunt with, no medicine to deal with diseases. They destroyed the knowledge of their civilization for some asinine barely explained reason. That is why Moore failed. He massively screwed a show I love.

Perhaps you missed the part where their entire civilization was utterly destroyed in a nuclear holocaust and then chased a million light years across the galaxy all due to their association of progression with technology.

That, too, was a theme from the pilot episode onward.

They missed the real lesson. Weapons are bad, however, medicine and the ability to mass manufacture food is good. The ability to travel to other planets also good. There is no waty people would volunteer to live like savages who don't posses language. It was pointless. The message seems to be to live like animals or else, watch out, technology will get you. A suprisingly Luddite message from a Sci Fi show.

I think their reaction was rather understandable given the circumstances. It's a bit surprising before you think about it, and clearly not everyone was completely thrilled with it at first, but, to them, it made sense.

There are even real-world examples of that kind of thinking at work. There was a whole sub-culture that developed in the post-WWII era in Japan that eschewed technology as much as possible. We have Amish people living today. These are people who are aware of the benefits of technological advancement and don't or didn't want it for themselves.

Again, to me, the question is whether their motives can be understood in the context of the show's universe and story. I believe it can.

Nice to see a well reasoned argument, I can understand where your going. However, they are an advanced society, and are aware of the cycle. Shouldn't they then construct a library or worldwide archive that warns people about what happened? That seems like the wise, responsible thing to do. It would be hard to debate, because you could keep on hand irrefutable evidence it happened.

the show is a work of fiction. The only point I was trying to make is that to take that work and end it all with one simplistic thought is such a cop out. There were at least ten different story arcs that all ended the same way, god works in mysteries ways. It was a lazy way to end the show. I don't hate stories that have religion in them it can give character personality, it's just lazy writers who use God and religious belief as a crutch when they can't think of how to end a story that bug me.

I will agree that I was giving them a pass when it came to the religious overtone of the show. I had "faith" that they would not use it to avoid writing an actual ending. That's my fault and I concede the point.

Even Ron Moore stated that he had the ending figured out before the show even went to series. Just go back to the Miniseries and you'll see the clues everywhere. Because the ending isn't what you expected, you seem to think that this was a last-minute solution. Matter of fact, the only "last-minute" addition was the flash-backs.

The theology was NOT a new theme. It has been a recurring and obviously important idea since the original miniseries. There's a REASON Baltar's Head Six was going on and on about God's plan, doing God's work, etc. It was *integral* to the show. Your personal belief system has frak all to do with the storyline arc of the show, and for you to all of a sudden be like "I don't like it because it deviates from my personal beliefs" says a lot more about your unwillingness to entertain concepts you disagree with than it does about the storytelling of the show.

an integral part of the show. I just assumed that they were using it to give the characters depth and individuality. Instead they used it as a way avoid having to write an ending. This great space opera that I've been enjoying for the past few years is "Jesus in Space." The Story of how God did it all has been done before, it was a waste of a good premise.

A "mystical" Force that guides a galactic civilization, that thinking beings put their faith and trust in, that is REALLY is just a bunch of microscopic parasites?

THAT sort of religious belief?

What are you asking me? I don't understand either of your questions, sorry.

Which is your personal failure that has nothing to do with the writers.

I still think the ending was a cop out.

Did not like the deus ex machina ending. I had expected religion to play a major role in the finale, but they could have had the same ending without saying it was god's will/plan and left that part open-ended.

The final debate between Inner Baltar and Inner Six suggests to me not so much angels but advanced beings fascinated in watching over their creations (interesting that the colonials land on a planet with primitive but 100% genetically compatible beings), somewhat agnostic themselves yet unafraid to tap into the spiritual gene to prompt people and cylons to break their cycle of codependency.

They sort of reminded me of the "first ones" from Babylon 5 -- and the Cylon hive ship of the former series' living Shadow "Stealth" craft.

I thought they were all going to go to a diner and then that would be the end of the show.

Inner Baltar even said "You know he doesn't like that name."

I think the answer is left to us to fill in.

"IT doesn't like that name."

Leaves a lot more open to interpretation.

You're right. It does leave that open a lot more.

God/Gods has been a part of the show since the very first episode.

That doesn't change the fact that "God did it" is still a simplistic way to end the series.

Besides, you overly simplify things.

All knowing, all seeing, all doing, and invisible. If they want to go with the "Higher Power" ending that's fine by me but it's still a cop out. It's just a way to avoid having to end story arcs. Hell read the bible it has the same ending as Battlestar Galactica.

But you could see that coming in the previous seasons with the heavy reliance on "visions" and sacred writings etc for plot lines.

One of the oldest and laziest convoluted plot devices in the history of literature.

"one mark of a bad play was the sudden invocation of extraordinary circumstance. Thus, the term "deus ex machina" has come to mean any inferior plot device that expeditiously solves the conflict of a narrative."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

Yes, I know that deities were frequently mentioned in the story line but that doesn't justify this hackneyed and intellectually lazy way to wrap up the loose ends.

;-)

Particularly Laura Roslin. I'm so glad she got to spend a few precious moments on Earth.

BUT, the fanbois are going to hate it because they didn't get all the questioned answered in a neat little laundry list the way they wanted it. Plus, it'll piss-off the militant atheist fan-base in SF.

So it's a all GOoD. :bounce:

What they don't seem to understand is that this will please Ronald Moore and the majority of the cast to no end.

Anders ending up being such a huge part of the show was, in part, because the hardcore "we know how to do this better than you do" fans hated him at first.

I loved it. Wouldn't have change anything really.

I only have one, minor complaint. I don't understand precisely why Cavil turned his gun on himself. He seemed to be all about self-preservation.

and didn't want to die at the hand of humans.

I enjoyed the "hell" out of this ending :D
Great closure!

And though I have "beliefs" what I don't understand is why all the spirituality in the whole series can't also be looked upon as part of the whole fantasy that is the show. The show isn't real. Why should you have to accept that the spirituality put forth in the show is "real"? If y'all say religion/spirituality is just a fantasy, then accept it in a fictional show as just more fantasy ;)

That's really my point about it anyway, as I made clearer in a message I posted up-thread just now.

What we have here is a fictional environment where many things that are "scientific" or logical by our system of logic or ... well, real have to be accepted "on faith" in order to enjoy the show at all. The test of whether the fiction remains true is whether it remains true to its own rules.

I was pleased with Cavil's end. It actually showed him to be the self-absorbed coward he was really. I probably would have had a freak-out if that had ended as peacefully as it looked like it might for a minute 'cause he had a lot to answer for and had not done anything redemptive.

I got a chill when Ellen announced that the Five would momentarily know everything there was to know about the entire group. I started trying to catalog the secrets that they might not want someone else to know, and then ... UH OH!

But I didn't exactly expect it to go there.

Anyway ... as you say, it was great closure.

and writer Ron Moore agreed with him. He was originally going to be thrown from the upper deck by Sol Tigh but Stockwell argued that Cavil would see he was in a futile situation and end it rather than possibly end up a prisoner or fight when the outcome is already determined. Loved it! :)

If someone could point me to a science fiction film or tv show that foregrounded quasi-religion like this, but in a way that didn't, in the end, seem trite and unsatisfying.

I can't think of one.

I really wanted the ending to be good. It's like reading a really long book and hating the last sentence, it a little upsetting. Hey but I got my post count up some so there's that.

I felt the Kara Trace wrap-up to be very unsatisfying - however I'm not going to let that bother me because otherwise I absolutely loved it! Even as an atheist I had no problem with Head Six and Head Baltar - in fact the scene with Baltar and Six in the hall when they both see head six and head baltar was one of my favorite moments of the episode. They seem to be saying at the end that "god" is not what people think "it" is anyways. Very open to interpretation. And an excellent show that I will truly miss. Check out season 1 of HBO's Carnivale for more Ron Moore spiritual/apocalypse goodness - he wrote the season 1 finale along with other various season 1 eps. :hippie:

Is that it sets up the opening monologue of the original series.

"There are those who believe that life here began out there."

I thought the ending was fantastic. I've loved this show since the mini-series. It's my favorite show of all time. I loved the story, the characters, the music, the writing, the acting, the special effects, each episode was like a movie.... the whole storyline filled me with a sense of wonder - the kind I hadn't felt like I was a kid. Kinda like the first time I saw "Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer" or the ending of the first "Planet of the Apes" hell, even "Logan's Run".... all thrilling to me as a child..... "Battlestar Galactica" is the only show in my adult life that's ever brought those feelings of awe again. I can't really describe it.

I'm so sad it's over, and I will never, ever forget it.

I was in tears several time throughout that final episode. I set such a high standard for this episode in my mind - and my standards were far exceeded. Best finale to a show I think I've ever seen. So much I never saw coming, but made sense when it happened. I too have been hooked since the mini-series. Six years ago and I never imagined I would be saying this but like you, my favorite show of all time is Battlestar Galactica. They showed such an appreciation for life, and the earth in this final episode - it was incredibly moving. I'm going to miss this show so much I don't even want to think about it right now. Just going to enjoy the marvelous experience that was and is Battlestar Galactica. I feel honored to have been able to share my enjoyment of this show with so many other like minded people. My life is truly richer for having experienced the phenomenon that is Battlestar Galactica. How often can you say that about a television show. :)

As fucked up as it might seem, that really is in tune with the show's spirit.


I loved the ending all the way through.

Destroy your technology, let your mortal enemies go, then, in case something goes wrong, get rid of your only way off the rock, Moronic

According to Moore. http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-ronald-d-moore.html

Can't say I'm surprised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitochondrial_Eve&oldid=278689135

"Mitochondrial Eve is a cylon that is thought to have lived around 140,000 years ago."

It wasn't me. I just looked it up.

I wonder if it will stay.

But a BSG reference was added under popular culture.

And now there's some wierd "revision" banner up on top.

There is going to be a huge edit war over this.

Lots of answers in these two articles:

I thought that it was a terrific ending. The final battle scenes were tremendous, and Chief's rage and reaction to his wife's death was stupendous.

As for the people upset with the religious aspect of the show, I have one question, "What show were you watching?" Religion has been all throughout the show. All throughout. Much like The Force was all throughout the Star Wars saga.

The force was a plot device not a cop out like the religion in the finale of Battlestar. All that buildup and all we got was "God did it."

The Emperor was killed, but the Empire wasn't defeated.

The Empire is permanently defeated in Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. In the film's climactic battle, the Rebellion destroys the second Death Star and a great portion of the Imperial Navy's highest ranking officers. During this battle, Vader is redeemed, and as Anakin, throws his master Emperor Palpatine to his death, but is himself mortally wounded by Force lightning intended to kill his son, Luke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)#Resistance_to_Imperial_rule">Galactic Empire: Resistance to Imperial rule

the Empire hardly seemed defeated -
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In the Expanded Universe, the Rebels, renamed the New Republic, fight to claim the galaxy from remaining Imperials styling themselves as independent controllers of portions of the galaxy.

In the Jedi Prince novel series, a group of imposters calling themselves the Prophets of the Dark Side, install a three-eyed mutant named Trioculus as Emperor by claiming that he is Palpatine's son. By the end of the series, Palpatine's true son, Triclops, helps the Rebels defeat this new enemy.

In the Dark Empire novel series, Palpatine is reborn in a clone body and unites most of the scattered remnants of the Empire, hoping to retake control of the galaxy. By the sequel, Empire's End, he is defeated and destroyed once and for all.

In the Jedi Academy Trilogy, an Imperial admiral named Daala commandeers the remainder of the Imperial Navy and mounts a ferocious assault on the New Republic. She nearly succeeds in taking over the galaxy, but is foiled by New Republic pilots Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian in the final entry, Champions of the Force.
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In fact, I thought it made the conflict more interesting.

But using god as a plot device has been recognized as lazy writing for a couple of thousand years.

As I've said before, Moore created some of the best characters on TV but I don't think he ever knew what to do with them.

she`s either really tall or he`s short!

He's short and she is tall.

She is listed at 5'10"

He is listed at 5'8", but I am guessing he is at least a few inches shorter.

2" height difference plus 3" heels plus change in posture due to wearing heels ~= 6".

I'm 6'3" and the average American is 5'9", I can tell you those 6" are huge. We're just not used to seeing it so dramatically exposed. Often when we're shooting a scene (I do some work in TV) if we have that sort of a gap, we only shoot from the waist up and put the shorter person on a riser to equalize the heights.

You know it hates that name. As someone pointed out, maybe the Siz/Baltar 'angels' were some advance beings (like the Q). You don't have to chalk it up to divine intervention if it makes it easier for you to digest.

They left it ambiguous and simplistic so they could avoid boxing themselves in for the inevitable movies, spin offs and so they can sell DVD extras with "The Real Ending." It was a cop out plain and simple. The journey was good but the destination was bible camp.

What was not clear was the fate of the Cylon's, which more has said a key scene showing the doomed colony was supposed to do.

What sort of ending were you expecting?

I wanted and ending that explained why Starbucks ship was on the first earth. What I got was god did it. I wanted an ending that explained why Starbuck came back from the dead. I got, she's an angel. Why did they keep calling her the "harbinger of death." I wanted an ending that explained how 50,000 advanced humans can land on a planet with hunter gatherers and not affect there evolution in any way. I got, god works in mysteries ways. There are so many things wrong with the way the show ended but there is no way to debate any of it when a magical man in the sky is the final answer to all the arguments I can make. Mitochondrial Eve was Asian/Caucasian, really?

The writers choked big time on this one. I think I'll go watch the final Seinfeld and Sopranos to make myself feel better.

double post

You watched the show all this time and kept having event after event explained in some sort of quasi-religious context with the continuing theme of religion and spirituality growing more and more intense as the final episodes passed by, but despite all evidence to the contrary and continued disappointment that you weren't getting the explanations that you, specifically, wanted, you kept hoping.

Irony, thy name is bigjohn16.

The ending was still a cop out even for a religious show.

Sweden has produced its own gritty hard-as-nails space drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1QQ0V-VH58

Four days away!

--d!

and left me very unsatisfied. However, I loved the ep, and loved the series. Maybe we'll see Daniel pop up in the new series Caprica at some point. ;)

*on edit - I know Ron Moore says Daniel was not Kara's dad but I hope he changes his mind! If not, I hope we see "Kara's dad" in Caprica at some point cause you are right - he knew not only All Along the Watchtower, but other classical Earth songs as well.

is accept the following:

Chance resulted in the DNA of the humans on our Earth matching the DNA of the other humans & cylons.

Chance menat that Starbuck's wildass matching of an old song to a set of jump coordinates brought her to our earth.

The people in the story may think that there was a plan, but that doesn't make it so. Maybe it just looked like a plan.



It's not that hard a leap; after all, in real life, a lot of people think that it was pure evolutionary chance, a million throws of the dice, that resulted in us. (I'm not denying evolution, just suggesting the possibility that it was directed)

In a perfect world, Apollo and Starbuck try to live happily ever after....but nope. The way they did it makes perfect sense though.

so I can see some of the episodes that I missed. I was latecomer to BSG, but I learned to love it real fast.

Trust me on this one. ;)

dg

Started out watching from the beginning and liking it, and by the end of the second season I was bored with it. Most people here thought most or all of the characters were great, whereas I started to care less and less about all of them. I couldn't have possibly cared less about Roslyn, Lee Adama, Starbuck, the chief, etc.

I'd watch the occasional episode from that point on because my girlfriend likes the show, but it did nothing for me. When Starbuck was presumed dead, I was actually relieved because I was so tired of her, and when she came back I was really disappointed.

My girlfriend and all of her friends think I'm nuts in this regard, but I can't help feeling what I feel.

Ron Moore was the person reading the magazine about mitochondrial eve? I only caught it on my second viewing a while ago

It was his "Hitchcock Moment".

I'm sure David Eick, who is less distinctive-looking, also made a foreground appearance. In fact, I would be surprised if there were ANY members of the production staff or technical crew who were not in at least one shot, even as a face in a crowd.

--d!

It also confirmed LostinVA's scoop about people seeing Six walking around NYC a few weeks ago.

I'm on the "pleased" side of the line.

I am, however, dismayed that so many people think that a sci-fi show should never hint at something that could be taken as supernatural, or mention the possibility of beings other than humans if they're referred to as "angels" or "god". I really think the problem here is one of semantics. Would it have been better if Head Six and Head Baltar, or Kara, or the "it" that they also called "god", were introduced as members of an all-knowing alternate species?

Just don't take a great story with interesting characters and end it with one simplistic thought. There was to much buildup for the final answer to every story arc to be, God did it. Even for a religious show it was a waste, a cop out.

I didn't see it that way at all. I think you're misconstruing what deux ex machina is, really. A deus ex machina approach would have been the humans and cylons backed into a corner, at loggerheads with no apparent way out, and then *blam* divine intervention sorting everything out and setting all to rights.

And I also disagree that the answer at the end was "god did it". I mean, what were the humans and cylons and those mystery beings DOING this entire series? Sitting around? ;)

I agree the journey was nice but the final destination was Sunday school. Why was Starbuck called the "Harbinger of Death?" Why would these beings transport her body and viper to the first Earth? I'm using God as a generic term for an unseen hand, call it "It" or whatever you want but they still avoided answering any tough question by using "It" as a crutch for a true ending. I get that they have to make a living by pimping out the spin offs and movies but it's becoming to common a practice and a way to avoid actual story telling. It wasn't an exciting plot twist it was a lazy cop out.

If you were, you wouldn't be using the term interchangeably with "Sunday school" and "Bible camp." The Cylon god or whatever you want to call it is not the Abrahamic god.

Getting worked up over crediting an already introduced god character for supernatural events in BSG is a bit like getting worked up over Homer crediting Poseidon for creating a storm that shipwrecked Odysseus. Once a god character is introduced into a work of fiction, it isn't a cop out to assign responsibility for supernatural events to that character.

and for character development. The ending of all major story points with one super natural *poof* is a cop out. A good writer can use god and religion to give a character depth and personality and a bad one uses it as a crutch. If there is a god in the Battlestar universe that is fine by me but to use it as a way to avoid writing an ending was a total cop out in my opinion.

That was my favorite relationship of the entire show.... and he just went off to build a cabin alone and never said anything to Saul :(

like so many others. It will be in the DVD extras with the 249.99 box set that they'll pimp out.

But then the show has been utter shit since the middle of season 3. They just went way too heavy into the weird quasi-spiritual shit and just couldn't get themselves out of it. In the finale they pretty much didn't even try.

Some of the greatest space fighting action EVER was the only redeeming quality of the finale.

Too bad the show went to complete crap in the final season. Still an entertaining ride.

I read somewhere that the cylon colony was to have succumbed to the singularity after the nuke strike but the sequence was edited for time. I would much rather have had the eye candy than the rest of the sloppy illogical "conclusion".

That action was off the hook good.

there wasn't at least a small group that wanted to keep at least the good aspects? You know, medicine, improved shelters, music & musical instruments, communication, transportation, etc? No bad people that tried to take over one ship and make off on their own? Nobody wanted to create a record of their history as a warning to future generations?

Dad to teen son, "Sorry, kid, no more iPod. No more TV."
teen son, "ok Dad, whatever you say. You're the greatest!"

Everyone had to go along.

... they didn't go into at all... but looking at our own myths and such that would fit very well into the myths of atlantis and such.