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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:26 PM
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Have you read The Turner Diaries? Should I?
Goodness knows I won't spend any money for this hateful book, but if I found a copy in a trash heap, should I read it just for the sake of understanding?
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:54 PM
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1. I think it would be depressing
especially in light of it's influence on the Order and MacVeigh.

I doubt you'll glean any real insight. From interviews with the author I've seen televised I believe it's the "romance novel" of the hate-movement. Soft-core porn of a specific fetishism.

If you're not in the club, the imagery won't speak to you.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has an excellent 'book report' here:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=490
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:01 PM
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2. My high school debate partner was totally into it
He was a total freak. Last I heard he lost his lawyerin' license cause he was diddling the teenage clients he represented for public defender work from the local juvenile court system.

I browsed through one of his copies once (almost 30 years ago). It seemed pretty dumb.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:03 PM
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3. The movie is better
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:06 PM
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4. If you don't want it
I'm sure somebody in the gungeon could use a new copy. :eyes:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:14 PM
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6. Not nice
:spank:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:13 PM
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5. I've read it in an attempt to reverse-engineer some the nonsense it preaches
One thing that struck me about the book is its pessimistic approach to the concept of a workable democracy, portraying the individual democrat as a "mass-man" or "herd animal" that will gladly give up his freedoms in exchange for his television set, his fishing boat, or whatever his personal diversion is. The narrator of the book simply states that they've spent enough time trying to educate white people about their inherent destiny to subdue the planet, and those who haven't bought into Hitler's ideology are either indifferent couch potatoes, ornery libertarians, or miscengenators. In this light, the race-mixers must be "dealt with" and the libertarians would rather die than bow to The Organization, anyway, so the only sensible option (as far as Earl Turner is concerned) is to take away the security of the couch potatoes - by blowing up power plants, disrupting food supplies, performing political assassinations, etc. - and make the surviving white people scared and hungry enough to fall at the feet of The Organization and beg for mercy.

Very disturbing read. Just so you know, at the end of the book, I'm rooting for the mutants in the Great Eastern Waste.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:50 PM
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7. I would. I read Mein Kampf.
Just wash your hands after so the evil doesn't get on you. :)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:21 PM
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8. Thanks for your answers, everyone
Turns out that Wikipedia links to a zipped electronic version of the harmony-fostering document, so I've grabbed it from there.

Haven't read any of it yet, and it isn't particularly high on my list of books to finish any time soon, but I'll give it a look-see in a few days or so.


About 12 years ago I worked with a guy who was sort of into it, which retroactively distressed me when I learned (a few years later) what it was about. The guy was a quasi-Libertarian sort, though at the time I didn't think he was particularly militant in his bigotry, though I seem to recall that he was pretty fervently opposed even to the concept of gay marriage. His interest in the book seemed to stem from it being an "alternate history" type of novel, and IIRC one hidden stockpiles of weapons was supposed to be buried/concealed just a handful of miles from where we were standing at the time.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:26 PM
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9. I got a copy at a thrift shop a few years ago. It is about what you'd
expect, but unintentionally humorous in places. ALL the non
white-supremacist characters are airheaded at best, all the REAL white MEN are noble and brave, all the minorities treacherous and fiendish or childlike but with underlying evil tendencies.
It really is not a well written book, kind of on a freshman english class level in its best passages.
If you come across one that you can obtain without money going to "the cause", read it, but be prepared.

This is THE literary classic of people who don't read much and want to kill us, partly because we do.
I never finished it, destroyed it, trashed the remains, washed up after.

mark
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