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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:21 PM
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Poll question: Big bang or the hand of God?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:22 PM
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1. They've Detected The Sound Just Prior to The Big Bang
It was "Ooops!!!!"

:-)
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Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:24 PM
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2. Same thing.
Big Bang = God, demonstrating the sound of one hand clapping.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:24 PM
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3. Is there a difference? n/t
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:26 PM
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4. Not really.
Fundies just like to drive wedges between people creating differences that don't exsist just so that the world can conform to their twisted, backwards, binary polar logic.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:29 PM
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5. Big bang is science
Isn't the hand of god a religous belief?
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:29 PM
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6. I dont know
and neither do any of you...feel the angst...ooooooh, that burns, don't it? Go ease someonelse's suffering! ah...why im a democrat
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:31 PM
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7. The conundrum
Yes to the big bang

What was before the big bang?

What is "beyond" the Universe?

The intelluctually honest answer to the last two is "I don't know".
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 06:33 PM
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8. Nothing from Nothing equals Nothing
I still believe we're just players in a little kids fish bowl

Was that Twilight Zone? Rod Serling
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:01 PM
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9. That is the question.
Actually, I have worked this through several times, and my resulting question is, "How is it logical (possible) that ANYTHING exists?"

Where did it come from? How is it possible that something comes from nothing???

And the scariest, most suffocating thing next: try to imagine NOTHING. Not a black void, but nothing; no dimensions, no properties. Nothing.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:10 PM
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12. OWWWWWW ! - you made my head hurt !
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" try to imagine NOTHING. Not a black void, but nothing; no dimensions, no properties. Nothing."



ooooOOOOOOOWWWWW!!


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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:11 PM
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14. Well. Glad I could "share"....
:evilgrin:
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:18 PM
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16. Hee hee hee
I actually got dizzy and fell down when I was a teenager looking at the stars trying to do just that. FREAKY!!!!

:scared:
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:56 AM
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27. are you arguing the absence of something isn't nothing?
Because our eyes perceive the absence of matter, or nothing, as blackness.

Unless your definition of nothing is not the absence of something
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:01 PM
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28. No, I'm arguing that the absence of ANY thing is nothing.
If no thing existed, there would be no absence, because there would be no alternate point of reference. No space, thus no emptiness. No dimensions. No black, because that would have to come from something, and it would require eyes to perceive it. But there would be NO awareness, period. I am not certain it could be possible, but OTOH, how is ANY existence possible either, because it had to arise from nothing, at some point.

Yet, was this the condition before the Big Bang? Where did the speck of energy exist? Was there 'space' around it?? Was it floating in something? :shrug:
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:13 PM
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29. We need a Philosopher here
There has always been something which is why I believe in the big bang. But people say it wrong.

The big bang began the current universe from one single point of compressed something that was there as the result of the collapse of the previous universe and so on.

There never has been nothing.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:46 AM
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20. One of the possible theories
Void is not stable. Although there is no energy or matter permently created in it, unstable fluxes do appear throughout it periodically. The actual full properties of the universe contain 11 dimensions. Within these periodic fluxes these dimensions collapse in on themself. This collapse creates a ton(worlds largest understatement) of energy potential within the point of collapse. But since the energy cannot protrude into the void it extrudes as a subuniverse attached to the primary universe. The dimensions collapse in a chaotic manner leaving some intact and others rolled up on themself. The resulting explosion of energy within this point collapse gives rise to an internally expanding system which we see as the big bang.

This is the so called M-Theory which is a subset of string theory. You can read more about it in the book, The Ellegent Universe. It is just one theory that may explain the origins of the Big Bang.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:08 PM
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10. "Nothin' from Nothin' Leaves Nothing....
You gotta have somethin'
If you wanna be with me..."

Billy Preston

(Actually, I tend to think the hand of God/ great spirit/ universal organizing energy force inspired the big bang, if that is indeed what started it all.)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:09 PM
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11. Hand of Omega...
Not the Big Bang.

Not the Hand of God.

And it's way too easy to mix both ideas into something sick...

In the end, why should we know, let alone care? Let's all be grateful we exist, and live, and be happy.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:25 AM
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23. Omega is only good for
supercharging baseball bats.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:10 PM
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13. Oh, the Big Bang happened, that's for sure.
Whether or not God did it is debatable.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 10:16 PM
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15. It is now thought that maybe it is contacts between different dimensions
Oscillating and creating a disruption when they come into contact. Our universe may very well be located on a membrane that occasionally collides with other membranes containing other universes, resulting in what we have learned to call The Big Bang.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 12:20 AM
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17. Mathematically, other dimensions exist
but they are so far beyond our present comprehension, I don't know if we'll figure it out during my lifetime.....but I will allow that your theory is just as good as any other.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 03:49 AM
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18. How can it be beyond our comprehension?
Are the math formulas just not available?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:26 AM
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19. If we knew the math formulas, we'd understand it all -- sort of
Isn't that the Holy Grail of cosmology? The Grand Unification Theory? I love that stuff, even though it's waaaaay over my head mathematically (I stopped after Calculus I).

I have philosophical difficulty with the concept of multiple universes, if "universe" by definition means "everything that exists." I can deal on some level with more than four dimensions, but multiple universes is a tough one for me.

Bake
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:54 AM
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26. No...it's not that
It's more like being able to physically percieve another dimension.

Try describing the dimensions of an object in terms other than length, width, height and time. (e.g. at this moment in time the object is this big).
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:00 AM
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21. Big Bang, but there is a kind of intelligence inherent in the energy...
at play in the universe. It can be called "God," or any other name, but whatever it's called, one can sense that there is a sort of basic intelligence in the energy itself -- the galaxies rotate, mass has gravity, everything is in motion and buzzing around in fantastic yet synergistic patterns.

Sorry for sounding new-agey. At least I didn't say, "Lets pass around a leaf and talk about our feelings!"

:toast:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:03 AM
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22. Check out M-Theory
Just one of the theories suggesting a virtual infinite number of universes. Multiplicity of universes answers the question of how such a specific arraingement of laws came about. Within such a system it was a virtual impossibility that such a universe would not come into existance.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:40 AM
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24. I'm glad you had "both" as a choice.
The Big Bang is about as well proven as can be. Another poster pointed out the cosmic radiation they've deteced, which pretty much ices it. However, that doesn't exclude God. On the contrary, I think it's the ultimate moment of creation. I think it's the same thing.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 09:21 AM
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25. My god has no problem with the big bang. After all, it was her idea.
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