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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:26 PM
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Shanghai; an old Mexican game from my youth...
I was having a conversation today with a colleague from China.

Talking about how difficult it is sometimes to grasp American humor, when you are not actually born and raised in this country.

Nursery rhymes, for example, are something you have to experience as a toddler in the USA, otherwise, jokes based on Mother Goose references make no sense....

This is something I learned in my late twenties, and sometimes thereafter.

When my children were born and my wife, a US native, raised them, and I learned and filled these gaps as my children went trough their normal development phases.

So, in the course of this conversation, I mentioned a curious game I had learned as a child growing up in Mexico.

It is based loosely on baseball, except that there are only two bases, two players, no pitcher, and no ball...

The game is played with a broomstick, cut into two pieces: A long piece which becomes the bat, and a very short piece which becomes the ball...

The short piece is placed in a hole dug in the dirt, with one end sticking out. The bater hits the short stick with the long one, making it fly up straight into the air, and then swings at it on the way down. The other player has to catch the stick, or tag the bater on his way to first base or back home.

You get the picture...

I told him that, for some curious reason, this game was called Changai.

His eyes opened wide and he said:

I know this game! I used to play it in China as a kid!

So how in the world did this game, obviously named after a Chinese city end up in Mexico, 40 years ago?...

Who knows...


:shrug:


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:31 PM
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1. The Chinese brought to the west
to work on the railroads in the 19th Century perhaps?

I didn't realize they were in Mexico also until I watched an old episode of Rick Bayless's Mexico: One Plate at a Time this past Sunday. He explored how Chinese cooking made it's way into Mexican cooking.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:38 PM
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2. But this would imply Chinese imported baseball to the USA?
You see my conundrum?

:shrug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:46 PM
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3. How so?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:47 PM
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4. The building of the railroads predates baseball n/t
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 08:48 PM by Xipe Totec
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:50 PM
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5. Actually baseball is a hybrid of cricket
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:52 PM
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6. And the origins of cricket?
Please don't say Ultra Cricket; no Hitchhiker references needed.


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 08:59 PM
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7. Cricket history
Cricket
History
The origins of the game of cricket are lost in the mists of time. There is a reference in the household accounts of Edward I in 1300 of a game like cricket being played in Kent.

It seems clear that the English game originated in the sheep-rearing country of the South East, where the short grass of the downland pastures made it possible to bowl a ball of wool or rags at a target. That target was usually the wicket-gate of the sheep pasture, which was defended with a bat in the form of a shepherd's crooked staff.

By the 17th century the game was quite popular as a rough rural pastime, but in the following century the leisure classes took up the sport, particularly in Sussex, Kent, and London. We know that an organized match was held at the Artillery Grounds, Finsbury, London, in 1730. By the middle of the 18th century cricket was being played at every level of society, from village greens to wealthy estates. However, the game lacked a coherent set of rules.

The first and most influential cricket club in the land was formed at Hambledon, Hampshire, in the 1760's. The club was sponsored by wealthy patrons, but the players were local tradesmen and farmers. The Hambledon club established techniques of batting and bowling which still hold today, and Hambledon claims a page in history books as the "Birthplace of Cricket".

http://www.britainexpress.com/History/pastimes/cricket.htm
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:00 PM
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8. Did they take it to China?
Serious question, not challenging.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:05 PM
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9. I'm pretty sure they did
They ruled Hong Kong for what 300 years? And they certainly traded with other port cities like Shanghai.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:22 PM
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11. It would be really cool if we could trace the history of the game definitively.
I think that there are plenty of clues pointing in that direction.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:05 PM
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10. There were lots of Chinese in Mexico in the 1800's.
The last mayor of Casas Grandes was named Wong. The family has a restaurant in Viejo that serves the regular northern Mexico fare and Chinese as well. In the Pancho Villa museum in Chihuahua is on of his saddles that is labeled as being covered with human skin. Yeah you guessed it. I don't know if that is real or just rumor - the guy was pretty brutal.
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