It's crucial to know these things before beginning to analyze.

I don't know the make, but it's not a Harley. By comparison, the chug-chug of a Harley is almost musical.

The type I'm describing gives off more of a deafening, saw-toothed shriek as it breaks the speed limit past my house.

In the vernacular of the young crotch-rocketing male. ;)

Why young guys think spending money on a car or whatever will make them look good to girls. It only looks good to other young guys. If they want the girls attention, pay attention to her. And then spend that twenty grand on her instead of the car.

or guy as an accessory. The guys are so enamored of the attention from a "hottie" they can't see the real reason she's hanging around.

It's entirely possible that I'm becoming an old fart. :)

:eyes:

Invest in the other person, not in the lifestyle accessories. Give her some assurance that you are interested in her and plan to be around for the long haul.

There is actually good reason for ostentatious displays of wealth which are attempts to indicate the male's ability to be a good provider. There's not that much difference between the skin of an animal that's hard to kill and an expensive suit with a red tie. It's all just human plumage.

And of course, time is money. The time spent acquiring the money to buy the car would be more effectively spent on "paying attention" to the woman. Provide she is looking for that kind of relationship.

It's complicated indeed.

:eyes:

Hence the phrase "Provide she is looking for that kind of relationship."

I know that might sound like a "trained" response, but in my car, I can hear a Harley from a distance and before I might see one. That Ninja? No way. I believe the safety aspect of it.

You might not be incorrect, but that sounds to me like post hoc reasoning on the part of the designers/marketers.

:shrug:

Like having an airbag in the steering wheel, even though the seatbelt is just, you know, right there.

Motorcycle helmets, not so much.

And I agree with you about the MAYBE part...

but you feel a Harley thumping, not just hear it.

Try that with a little scooter, ha!

but given the frequency of noise-displays in non-moving situations (as well as the degree to which bikers wax rhapsodic over the particular lone of a bike), I suspect that the safety aspect is secondary (or tertiary)...

Yeah, the owner enjoying the sound of their vehicle even though it's not the intended purpose. Pity that.

So is a biker who does the same.

Excessive and unneeded noise in a residential area is selfish and stupid.

And maybe together we could do something about the lunkhead with the Another Democrat for McCain paraphernalia on his lawn.

Heavy on the "moron" part.

No justice, man, no justice.

What I was saying is that the sound is the intended purpose, and the safety enhancement is secondary. Unfortunately, many vehicle owners tend to enjoy that sound (whether it's an engine, horn, or stereo) to an inconsiderate extent...

The stereo is, of course, never a safety enhancement. It's just shitty attitude in a residential area. Save it for the car shows, cruising, etc.

to clarify that I don't think it's just bikers who like a bit of noise, and disruptive assholes aren't limited to (or disproportionate among) the motorcycle set...

People miss bikes in mirrors all the time.

Forgive me, but this is a topic I spend a great deal of time researching. It's simply untrue. Straight-pipe Harleys et al are involved in the same number of collisions as any other kind of bike -- there is no "safer" kind of bike in collisions. Distinctions emerge in fatalities -- along with big cc sport bikes, big cc cruisers have more fatalities associated with them.

However, to be fair, the fatality numbers are likely skewed against "loud pipe" cruiser riders, as they also tend toward little or no gear that might help them survive a crash. They are also generally older, and generally less likely to have taken an MSF class or similar.

There are outliers in every category, of course, the average is not the totality, and I mean to offend no rider. :)

But statistically the only thing that saves lives is training and sobriety.

there'd be an insurance discount for them. It might also be a good idea to orient them forward, as that's where your greatest threats as a motorcyclist come from.

I will say that I see lots of cruiser riders in my part of the world. The ones I observe tend to be older, wearing helmets, and often leathers. I would think the kids riding between cars at 90 miles an hour would have more collisions. Go figure?

I will say this - even given your stats, Loud Pipes might help and can't hurt, but training and sobriety are of supreme importance.

And now you want me to believe they are concerned about safety?

:wtf:

they have a small penis? :)

Restricted exhaust, i.e. mufflers, rob horsepower.

But why do they need ear-splitting horsepower to blaze down my 25 MPH street?


Edit: Of course I know that the HP isn't for my street. But race cars aren't a problem in my neighborhood, so...

we revert to the aforementioned "I'm much smaller and more vulnerable than a car, so the volume of my exhaust is to announce, 'Here I am'."

Why aren't these safety-conscious bikers wearing helmets? Or gloves?

Wind in their hair, etc., I guess. Hard-core bikers think helmets are candy-assed.

Your state doesn't have a mandatory helmet law, but it does have a muffler requirement: http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=pa

The thing is, the bikes you're complaining about often do have mufflers, but they're low-restriction, so they satisfy that letter of the law. Your state also has a decibel limit, but cops generally have more important matters to attend to than sitting somewhere and pointing a decibel meter at Harleys.

In short, there's probably not a helluva lot you can do about it, aside from raising hell with your PD.

Tell your city there is a problem of people speeding on your street and that they need to install regular-intervals of speed humps :)

My small city is already reluctant to plow our street in the winter. A few strategically-placed speedbumps would be their ticket to ignore us altogether!


I'm going with my original plan to string some 14gg wire between two trees flanking the street...

was the simple use of painted illusions. It would stop the ones that don't live on the street at first glance, anyway. Or do that anyway, but on removable panels so you can change the illusion :D

The wire will get you in trouble with the law. A painted illusion will likely make the law at least laugh ;)

Anyway, I don't want to gouge up the two trees that I'd have to use.

The noise will become music to your ears.

Every time I see some jackass doing a wheely at 65+ down the interstate I think of her as being that much closer to a transplant.

Indians and Harleys are famous for how they sound and as an earlier poster pointed out, these motorcycles tend to get noticed and for that reason they tend to be safer.

We'd be sure to notice them then.



Kudos to you for husbands non-deficiency, though!

:rofl:

Some of my female friends have told me they get *ahem* a bit of a thrill from straddling something that vibrates like that.

Not that I would know. Don't own one, never rode one.

trust me, your friends speak truth

take the mufflers off, and you get another 100mph.


...well,OK:sarcasm:

is an odd way to say "vibrating the clitoris"


:P~

Regardless, hear me out:

As I've revealed above, the discussion actually focuses on loud motorcycles on residential streets, rather than on the open road or on some abstract thoroughfare where noise is nice. As my sample-source, I'm referring to my own residential street, in a house on which I've lived for six years.

Not once in that time--not once--have I ever seen a woman driving one of those why-the-fuck-is-it-so-loudcycles. They drive plenty of other kinds of bikes, but the shrieking, howling, I'm-the-most-important-person-in-the-universe cycles are invariably ridden by men. Additionally, there is something palpably different between the chug-chug-chug of a Harley and the shhhhhhhhreeeeeeeeeeooooooooooowww!!!!!!!!!! of whatever the hell these knuckleheads are driving.

By all means, let them vibrate their clitorises. Heck, let them by special attachments that maximize this effect. As long as their bikes don't unduly disturb residential neighborhoods--as has been the case for six years---then they can ride them and ride them and ride them all night long.

I imagine it's the same as computer games or funny haircuts... personal enjoyment.

There's a traffic light intersection about 100 yards from my house. Grrrrr.

Shit, my mom is thinking about getting her own. It will be a Harley and it will probably be a little noisy. Mom and her old man have a group they ride with regularly. Every few weeks they organize runs for charitable causes. Last Christmas they got gifts out to some needy families who couldn't afford to buy their kids much of anything. Just one example.

You take a look at these guys and you see leather from head to toe, long hair and long beards on most the men- women in chaps & vests. Pretty loud group when they make a stop. But some of the friendliest people you would ever meet. They all work normal jobs, and look like anyone else when they aren't riding- with some extra hair in some cases. ;) They help each other move, they help each other work. They are there for each other when someone has a problem or is just stressed out and need to vent. They reach out to other people.

They love their country, they do what they can to help people in need. They love the road, and they love their bikes. This group is like a second family to me. Not all bikers are the same, of course, but you may be surprised.

There are assholes in the office, assholes in cars, assholes in the government. And yes, some assholes on bikes. But most of the bikers I have met have been good people with big hearts, and when they start getting loud- it isn't to "compensate", it's to let you know they are on the road. For their own safety as well as everyone else's.

What else? :grr:

A motorcycle would be a good conveyance for transporting an enormous penis, if you have both a motorcycle and an enormous penis.

Jus' sayin'.

Fucking bastards come down the street, all of a sudden it's:

BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP!

First rule: You CANNOT be a fucking "GANGSTA" and live with your MOM AND DAD.

They do it because "FUCK YOU." That's their goal in life...getting away with "FUCK YOU" wherever and whenever possible, and they are little loser assholes living with their MOM and DAD.

At least on MY street. Santa Clara is a TOILET with a ZIP CODE.

:eyes:

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but to let everybody know.

At least 50 years old
At least a 50 inch waist line
At least 50 pounds overweight.

...'cause you've expressed the Madison Avenue credo in very succinct terms.

when one is stopped at a light.