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Tobin S. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 06:04 AM
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I wish I would have discovered Carl Sagan before Timothy Leary
It would have saved me a lot of time and perhaps my college education. :D

I do have experiences touched off by my exposure to Leary that I consider to be very important to my life. They forever changed me, in some ways for the better and in others for the worse. But I got sidetracked because of them and that's the reason why I'm a trucker instead of an environmental health scientist.

I find Carl Sagan to be much more enlightening. I kind of knew who he was, but I never really checked him out until recently. I feel like a whole new way of seeing the world has been opened up to me. I'm about half way through Cosmos and on deck I have The Demon-Haunted World. Check him out if you haven't already.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:25 AM
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1. The Demon Haunted World
is an absolutely fabulous book! Sagan rocked my world. I was never much into Leary though.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:48 AM
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2. Although there was that time when Sagan sued Apple,
and received for his trouble one of those hilariously erudite smackdowns that only judges can deliver.

http://www.langston.com/Fun_People/1994/1994AVX.html

Ego aside though, he's pretty cool.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:59 AM
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3. I fail to see
how that implies an ego on Sagan's part. There's more than enough ego at Apple.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:16 PM
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4. Well, as for the initial suit, "Sagan" was an internal codename for the product.
Apple wasn't claiming endorsement or affiliation with Carl Sagan, and wasn't using the name for any sort of marketing or external purpose at all. It was just a friendly homage because some project manager thought he was cool. A lawsuit was an overreaction IMO. For the second suit, he had even less legal ground to stand on - essentially, he was suing them because they hurt his feelings.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:40 PM
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5. Apple seemed to be implying that Sagan was a hoaxer
In 1994, Apple code-named the Power Macintosh 7100 "Carl Sagan" after the astronomer and science popularizer. Though his name was only used internally as a homage to his work, the code-name might not have caused any problems if Apple hadn't also released models codenamed "Cold Fusion" and "Piltdown Man" at the same time — implying that Carl Sagan was a hoaxer. The astronomer was upset at being compared to what he considered pseudoscience and sued. Although Apple won the suit, they changed the internal codename to "BHA." When Sagan learned that this meant "Butt-Head Astronomer," he instigated a libel suit. Apple claimed the right to free speech under the First Amendment and again won. This prompted Apple to change the codename for the 7100 again to "LAW," known internally as meaning "Lawyers Are Wimps."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Libel_dispute_with_Carl_Sagan

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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:13 PM
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9. Whatta bunch of asses at Apple. n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:42 PM
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6. Sagan was the MAN!
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:00 PM
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7. The Cosmic Calendar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2qezQzfgIY

Imagine that the entire history of the universe is compressed into one year - with the Big Bang corresponding to the first second of the New Year's Day, and the present time to the last second of December 31st (midnight). Using this scale of time, each month would equal a little over a billion years:


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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:16 PM
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10. I just love that.
perspective - we needz moar uv dat
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:28 PM
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12. Space is big
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlP6znMKnr8">The Grand Scale of the Universe
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:41 PM
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13. I love the Cosmic Calendar.
It's one reason the current emphasis on the last 2,000 years and Jesus and all the rest is completely laughable to me.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:08 PM
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8. it's never too late
to go back to school, you know.

There are some very good LEGITIMATE online programs and/or correspondence available through your state universities/colleges.

If anybody could do it, I have complete confidence that you could.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:18 PM
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11. OK, but if you're a responsible and safe trucker, and I'll bet you are,
that's means a lot to all of us........
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:54 PM
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14. You can watch Sagan's "Cosmos" series online.
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 09:57 PM by Odin2005
http://www.hulu.com/cosmos

"The Cosmos is all that is, or ever was, or ever will be..."

When I first watched it when I was a kid it was like a mystical experience, it was THAT powerful.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:38 PM
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15. not to sound contrary, but....
Sagan was a stoner.

:D

And a brilliant man.
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