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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 03:54 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is the word "lady" patronizing? |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Depends on the context, I suppose. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Girl is fine for a girl. My granddaughters are girls. The oldest is going to be 14 later this month. |
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Louisiana1976 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
81. I'm 51 and don't mind being called a "girl." Makes me feel young. :-) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. and I know |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. What does that have to do with what she said though? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. don't tell me, let me guess |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. So you think she should be offended? You want her to be offended |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. do threads run sideways in The Twilight Zone? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Excuse me. Girl. I have been reading this whole thread so I am |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. do people engage in analytical thought in The Twilight Zone? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Her not being offended by the word girl doesn't have anything |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. to answer my question: |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Um, yeah, ok. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Deleted message |
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #98 |
161. Context is everything. Diminutives can be both terms of endearment AND insults. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
106. all right, i'll do it |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Many people want to feel young. No one should feel like there |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
127. can Louisiana1976 not speak for herself? |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. She checked out I guess. I was just giving my 2 cents. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #131 |
162. Taling about youth, your little girl is adorable! |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #162 |
216. Thanks!!!! I happed to agree with you! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
192. You're too young to remember why it matters and young enough to not need to care |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #192 |
203. So basically, you are saying my opinion doesn't matter here. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. LOL. No, that's not at all what I said...... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
191. Especially in the context of the workplace, which is what the Rachel Maddow comment was about. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
190. Wouldn't apply to you in a professional context though, such as OP comment on Rachel Maddow |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Only when Jerry Lewis says it. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
102. OMG..Thats the first thing that popped into my head. |
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Curtland1015 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Depends on the context, I suppose. But then ANY word can be patronizing depending on the context. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I hadn't thought of the word "guy" relating to this. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Not quite. The term 'lady' assumes a minimum degree of gracious/polite behavior. 'Woman' does not. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. the term "lady" is *prescriptive* |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Interesting way to put it! I'd never thought of it that way. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
163. Not in modern speech, it doesn't |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
193. You think that, because you disregard word origin and history -- yet talk about "context" |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. "Lady" has aristocratic connotations. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
164. Language develops reduncancies all the time. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. Unfortunately, yes. We do not use it in the same circumstances we use 'gentleman'. Its use |
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Curtland1015 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Well, a lot of words aren't "meant" for things, but that doesn't stop the meanings from changing. |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Bleh..... |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
52. Yeah I'm not a big fan of lady.. I prefer |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. In the right circumstances, those are the right words! |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. heheheh |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Neither can I among friends. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
171. Lady and Gentleman also come from times when Men had all Power/Rights and Women had None |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Words don't have inherent meanings, they change over time. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. That is not true. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Wrong, it is true. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Did you read the posts? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. This is the mainstream opinion of lingusits. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. And you know the "guy" thing is bullshit |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #182 |
212. (male) experts? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #212 |
217. Your ignorance is showing. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #174 |
194. nice one |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. Gloria Steinem said it was okay to use the word "ladies" again about 20 years ago |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. What if Gloria says that she isn't Gloria? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Nice post, Captain Kirk |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. Only if the woman in question is actually acting like a fishwife |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
12. what a sad dump this place is |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "this patronizing, patriarchal terminology" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. If I wanted to read your moronic bot posts |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. I wanted other people's opinions. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. and all you have done is prove once again |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
90. Really? I think I know what you really mean. |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. "Intelligent, decent people stopped using codewords for "woman" several decades ago." |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
165. Words change their meaningsd over time. |
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Bryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. It is when I use it |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
166. I would say "look, ma'am". |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
20. Depends on how it's used |
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mentalsolstice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. I hate being called ma'am. |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yes, makes me want to vomit. Lady is fine with me. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. That's always a tricky one. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
42. Yeah, it stings, but it is polite. In the military community, I started getting that in my '20s. nt |
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Louisiana1976 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
83. For me ma'am depends on the context and the spirit in which it's said-- |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. And you know ma'am is something I say automatically to anyone |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #86 |
159. It was beaten into me as well. I do the same. I'm 50. nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #86 |
205. I'm from the north and it's hard for me not to say ma'am or sir. |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
24. Good God! When did being gentlemen become incorrect |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. It didn't |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Please don't use the term "gentlemen." |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. No one said it was. nt |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
73. Yeah, because gentlemen don't care if they offend people. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
149. A gentleman would listen to someone who says the word they used is insulting |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
25. "Patronizing" is sexist. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. Hey ladies! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Ahh, old Beastie. |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
27. The word "woman" can be patronizing too. |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
33. intent is everything. This goes for every word ever used in the history of words. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
34. I would rather be referred to as "Lady" than as "girl." I can't stand to hear adult |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The use of that in the workplace has really left scars. I'm touchy about the use of diminutives |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
35. The whole issue was just a side show and a intellectually poor way of addressing the real issue you |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. really? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Women should accept a man's opinon of what they should find offensive? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Intellectually and logically speaking |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. funny thing |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Does anyone have a desire for the DU rules to be enforced? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I think I've made it rather clear |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. "disingenuous" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. disingenuous |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. "my reference to the rules of this site" |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. I'm thinking your response is trying to cover from the fact |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. I don't give a flying fuck how it looks to you |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Then I guess it's settled then |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. no history of the term lady being considered offensive? |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. I have read some inane things in here, but lady you take the cake. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Wait a month or two... |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Come on give it up. What the hell is the L word? |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Lady |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Oh come on you can say lady. I really thought you meant a different topic. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #114 |
128. like i said, someone had to be the first to challenge use of the n-word too |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Spoken like a true lady. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. spoken like a true asshole. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Is the word "asshole" patronizing? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #128 |
144. "Shove it up your ass" AND light it on fire. nt |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. so now I say we leave them to their own devices |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #118 |
143. You sound all holier than thou now, |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
167. For someone so concerned about "language" your knowledge of lingustics is wanting. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #167 |
188. my knowledge isn't lacking |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #188 |
201. That's the point was I trying to make. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
43. The joys of political correctness. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Another man telling women what they should find offensive. nt |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. And what would that be? |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Perhaps we should all just be called "undeclared" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I'm open about my sex in threads like this. nt |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. I guess the right term here would be |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. 10" Ms. Undeclared |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
70. well I guess I'll have to say it again |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Absolutely |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
76. That's a lazy man's argument to explain being a jerk. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. --- |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. I had to trot off |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
145. Right! What's wrong with good manners? Putting people at ease? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
48. especially bad when preceding their occupation |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Or college team name: 'Lady' Monarchs, 'Lady' Vols, 'Lady' etc. UGH! |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
53. My 2 cents for what it's worth. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. 'Lady' Volunteers, makes them the 'marked' team. The men are the 'norm' and women not. |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. Somehow I don't see being marked as lady makes it offensive. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. uh, "different" FROM WHAT? |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Yes different from the male team that use to be the norm. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. here's the answer |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I expected as much. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
168. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with people spouting irrational tirades. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #168 |
189. I don't recall inviting you to any kind of discussion |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. fine, then if it HAS to be differentiated, we'll call the women's team |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Fine with me. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #110 |
130. fine with you means jack shit, since it's just not done... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
147. That's what I'm getting from these posts too. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
55. yes. and "women" should be "womyn" |
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gbate (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Tell me you're joking. Please. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. not joking |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
56. Every word in the English language is patronizing and... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
64. I prefer the term "broad.' |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I actually used 'dames' the other day! Context is everything...nt |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. 'Dames' means 'ladies' in Spanish. Ladies & gentlemen is |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
103. What about all the songs that use "lady" in the title and lyrics? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Context is everything. The term is not, in and of itself, patronizing. nt |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. uh |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #120 |
134. +1000 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #120 |
142. I've always HATED that song. Right up there with "Having My Baby." nt |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
104. Only if the lady is breatfeeding at Olive Garden |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
107. Patronizing |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I'm VERY polite, but I'm no lady. We catch a lot of shit for not being ladies. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. "Gee whiz"?? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
196. too obviously -- |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
122. Why didn't you just say "she's a bright person" or "she's a bright woman"? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. urgh |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Well there's that. It's hard to keep up with all the regression these days |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. What is the difference between "she's a bright lady" and "she's a bright woman"? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. was the poster saying something about a person and funneling their opinion and comments through |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. I understand the difference in "she's a bright person" and "she's a bright lady". |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. You don't understand the concept or the post or you wouldn't be asking this. |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. It would help if you would read my post and answer it not this crap your spewing. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. You don't understand. Read/Think it through and you might. Answer your own question. |
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newcriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. I did answer my own question. It isn't offensive. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. You didn't think about the answer. Which answers your shortsighted question |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
132. "No class" includes missing the point on purpose, adding insults, OPing in another Forum to Call Out |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #132 |
146. Obnoxious? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #146 |
151. Your disingenuousness |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. I'm not calling out anyone. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #152 |
153. THIS OP IS A CONTINUATION OF ANOTHER THREAD AND A CALL OUT, FROM ANOTHER FORUM |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Yes, I am because I don't think it is. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #157 |
169. You're not interested in what other people think. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. Then why did I post this poll? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Nonsense. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #176 |
206. I don't think I am. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
148. If said with respect, then no. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
150. I call my female friends "lady friends", nobody thinks it's patronizing. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #150 |
154. So? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #154 |
160. Nobody I know considers it offensive unless used in an obviously rude way |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #160 |
172. That's not what this thread or the previous thread |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #172 |
181. Hence "Context is everything". |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. "dismissive language, patronizing, setting a different standard for women and that's how this OP.." |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I'm not the one refusing to understand things. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. I did no such thing |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. I'm simply trying to give a reasonable scientific explanation for word usage. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #160 |
197. and there we have it |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #150 |
158. Because you know them well enough to say, in your judgment, they're 'ladies'. It's fine. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
155. You really have to be careful with a word so abused as "lady" |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #155 |
156. If RM was a fella, I would have used that sentence, |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #156 |
177. the equivalent for "bright guy" is "bright gal." You might have thought twice or even once |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #177 |
211. I said or gentleman, |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 03:48 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Playing word games |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. I'm not seeing anything new from you. |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
170. Yes, context is everything |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
186. This thread's not gone well. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. This thread is a Continuation from Another Forum and a Call Out and should have been locked |
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Elmore Furth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
198. The way Jerry Lewis said it -- it was more of a screech-threat like a crow |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
199. It's up to the person being addressed, and whose business is it, anyway, EXCEPT the person being |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. well, you could always read the thread |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. I read the original post - poster amazed at being jumped on about the word "lady" but would not have |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #202 |
215. good for you |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. I'm not discounting her opinion. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #200 |
209. "Rachel Maddow was referred to as a "bright lady" by someone who wished to discount her opinion..." |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #199 |
208. Rachel Maddow has no interest in speaking to the OP about referring to her as a "bright lady, but.." |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #208 |
218. ??? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
210. it can be |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
219. Only if the lady is a tramp. n/t |
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