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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 11:53 PM
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Annoying new trend in verbal communication, especially among academics: "Vis a vie."
Vis a vie. As in, "What do you think of Theorist A's idea vis a vie Theorist B's idea?"

It's now used as lazy shorthand to replace "in comparison to" or "as opposed to" or "as compared to."


Annoying!

:nuke: <-- Obligatory nuclear emoticon - a shorthand to express my annoyance. :P
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:49 AM
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1. Take heart! Academics (especially the social theory types) are so addicted
to catchy new jargon that anything that annoys you now will fade out of favor relatively quickly (for example, I haven't heard the execrable "praxis" for I don't know how long). Eventually, the whole buzz-word game will cease to bother you at all...
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:28 PM
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19. praxis
practice informed by theory, love it
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:31 PM
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29. Be sure to use that, or practicum in your
curriculum vitae, won't you?
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:52 PM
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30. Why would I do that?
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 08:03 PM by mix
If you are an educator, praxis is a perfect way to understand your craft, or any job or art for that matter, since it requires you to reflect upon your actions and how they are structured and then to modify everything accordingly. Most professions are entirely theory driven, whether you recognize it or not. Unreflective practice, or practice that claims that it is not informed by theory, is reactionary.

Praxis is the first step toward liberation.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:44 AM
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2. It's vis-à-vis.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:29 AM
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4. I've seen it spelled both ways. Both are annoying. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:10 AM
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10. The misspelled version is more annoying
by several orders of magnitude.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:12 PM
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15. Yes, I agree. My bad.
I've been reading all morning. :hangover:
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:03 AM
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9. + 1
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:28 PM
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27. There you go, spoiling a fun thread again...
Knowing French and so on. Aren't you embarrassed, now, I mean vis-à-vis spelling corrections?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 08:04 PM
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31. Pardonnez-moi, je suis gauche.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 08:37 PM
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33. vis-à-vis la mademoiselle
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 08:39 PM by mix
fiy: The earliest known use of the phrase in English dates from 1751. Hardly a "trend."
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:36 AM
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3. It was very poplar when I attended college in th '70s
I had a poli-sci faculty adviser who used it all the time. Maybe these things come in cycles. But he only used it in oral communication, not written.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:25 PM
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26. I don't know. It seemed willow to me.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:29 PM
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28. Or maybe it was maple of me to say that.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 09:06 PM
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34. No. You're an ash!
:P
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:50 AM
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5. I think it's kind of edgy... at least the way Google translates it!
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:54 AM
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6. I haven't gotten over "like" yet... nt
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:58 AM
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7. Reminds me of one of my favorite Monty Python songs...
Half a bee, philosophically,
Must, ipso facto, half not be.
But half the bee has got to be
Vis a vis, its entity. D'you see?

But can a bee be said to be
Or not to be an entire bee
When half the bee is not a bee
Due to some ancient injury?

Singing...

La dee dee, one two three,
Eric the half a bee.
A B C D E F G,
Eric the half a bee.

Is this wretched demi-bee,
Half-asleep upon my knee,
Some freak from a menagerie?
No! It's Eric the half a bee!

Fiddle de dum, Fiddle de dee,
Eric the half a bee.
Ho ho ho, tee hee hee,
Eric the half a bee.

I love this hive, employee-ee,
Bisected accidentally,
One summer afternoon by me,
I love him carnally.

He loves him carnally,
Semi-carnally.
The end.

Cyril Connelly?
No; semi-carnally!
Oh.

Cyril Connelly.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:40 AM
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13. My mind went in a similar direction
"Good evening. I have with me Mr. Arthur Frampton, who has... Mr. Frampton, I understand that you... er, as it were... have, er... well, let me put it another way: I believe, Mr. Frampton, that whereas most people have... er, two... two... you... you..."

"I'm sorry?"

"Ah, yes, yes, I see... Um, are you quite comfortable?"

"Yes, fine, thank you."

"Er, Mr. Frampton, vis-à-vis... your... rump."

"I beg your pardon?"

"Er, your rump."

"What?"

"Your posterior.... derriere... sit-upon."

"What's that?"

(whispers) "Buttocks."

"Oh, me bum!"

"Sshhh! Well, Mr. Frampton... I understand, Mr. Frampton, you have a... 50-percent bonus in the... in the region of what you said."

"I got three cheeks."







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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 08:26 PM
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32. How does he ride a bicycle?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:00 AM
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8. whatever. you know. like totally, right.
:D :hi:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:20 AM
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11. Do they misspell it like that? That is annoying.
nt
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:39 AM
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12. Not only annoying, misuse too
Vis-a-vis is the French expression for "face to face."

It means you want to or are having a face to face, personal conversation with someone. The telephone or a letter just won't cut it. s

The idea that two concepts can be "vis a vis" is wrong, IMO.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:48 AM
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14. seemed like only my poli sci profs used vis-a-vis
and even then, it was the really hard core political scientists, the ones who lived and breathed on political theory and statistics.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:50 PM
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16. Especialy since it's spelled incorrectly. Asshats.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:14 PM
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17. is that really new?
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 01:15 PM by tigereye
I think academics and other intelligentsia have been saying that for decades...
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:18 PM
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18. This is why I cherish being illiterate ;)
:hi: you.
:pals:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:46 PM
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20. Actually a very old expression, and misspelled here. nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:14 PM
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21. Yeah, but is it annoying "per se"?
:P
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:29 PM
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24. or even per say, the more common online spelling...
hee hee! I see that all the time. :)
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T116 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:30 PM
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22. Annoying, but I don't think it's new.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:18 PM
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23. "vis-à-vis" is very au courant right now
It's the new "frisson"
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 06:24 PM
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25. Ergo...
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 09:25 PM
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35. "You know, some words are just annoying"
Another example....


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/08/most.annoying.words/index.html


NEW YORK (CNN) -- Nearly half of Americans surveyed said they find "whatever" to be the most annoying word or phrase, according to a poll by the Marist Institute for Public Opinion.

-snip-

"The list was so long so we said 'why not do a poll,' " Azzoli said.

"You know" was the second most annoying phrase.

That phrase was spotlighted last winter, when Caroline Kennedy was being considered for the U.S. Senate seat from New York, vacated by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

-snip-

At one point, Kennedy said "you know" four times in one sentence.

"You know, I can tell you, you know, in my family, you know, there was a sense, you know, we have to work twice as hard," she said.

Politico.com said Kennedy used the phrase 142 times in the Times interview.



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