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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:22 PM
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Was James Jamerson the best r&b bass player ever?
Listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2TNYyXdZjI

He was THE Motown session bass player for many years, never got mention or credit till the 70's for the 70+ hits on the R&B charts he helped to record. He is called the "father of modern bass playing", and remember he not only played it, he invented it and wrote the bass parts himself.

He died in '83 still in his 40's.

mark
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 12:33 PM
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1. Was his wife Jenna?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 01:13 PM
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2. Yes.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 02:45 PM
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3. He was one of my early influences, before I ever heard his name.
I'm still overwhelmed how good he was.

mark
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:17 PM
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5. Wow. Didn't know that was the same dude in all those songs.
Cool stuff.

(BTW: I never realized how similar Bernadette sounds to War Pigs by Sabbath. Huh!)


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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:11 PM
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7. + 1
Every now and then, one of the indie film channels will play this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_in_the_Shadows_of_Motown_%28film%29
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 04:07 PM
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4.  early in the morning, stoned drunk,laying on the floor...playing bass
who else could do that? he was the father of modern r&b bass and influence thousands of bass players since.

the funk brothers had more number one hits than anyone.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:44 PM
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6. James Jr., who's no slouch on the bass either, calls his father a musical genius
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:13 PM
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8. Carole Kaye, a white girl with small hands, played on lots of pop and R&B hits
during those days.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:24 PM
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9. Interesting
very contoversial , the claims made by Ms. Kaye. No doubt a talented bass player, and probably subject to gender/race prejudice, this article seems well researched, and ultimately refutes Kaye's claims. Also a good link to a youtube vid of Marvin.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 10:13 PM
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12. She has a great website - I have a treasured email from her in
Edited on Sat Nov-21-09 10:16 PM by old mark
my bass case....
If you look her up on Wikipedia, the list of people she played for and songs she played on is amazing - she invented the term "electric bass", and still publishes a great bass teaching book.

mark

Here's a link to her Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Kaye
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:46 PM
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10. I'm thinking Bootsy is up there
Famous for the Bass line in "Flashlight" ( he wrote it, but it was actually performed by a moog)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIHrdLwa_y8
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 09:54 PM
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11. I would say Larry Graham, the inventor of the slap bass, father of funk
bass player for Sly and the Family Stone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Graham

Graham played bass in the highly successful and influential funk band Sly & the Family Stone from 1967 to 1972. It is said that he pioneered the art of slap-pop playing on the electric bass, in part to provide percussive and rhythmic elements in addition to the notes of the bass line when his mother's band lacked a drummer; the slap of the thumb being used to emulate a bass drum and the pop of the index or middle finger as a snare drum.<1> This style has become archetypal of modern funk. Slap-pop playing couples a percussive thumb-slapping technique of the lower strings with an aggressive finger-snap of the higher strings, often in rhythmic alternation. The slap and pop technique incorporates a large ratio of muted or "dead" notes to normal notes, which adds to the rhythmic effect.

This "Slap" bass style was later used by such artists as Les Claypool, Bootsy Collins, Louis Johnson, Mark King, Flea, Peter Hook, Jeff Berlin, Victor Wooten, Geddy Lee, Marcus Miller, Stanley Clarke, John Norwood Fisher, P-Nut, Danny McCormack, Matt Noveskey, Dirk Lance, and Kenny Franklin (of San Mateo).


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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:52 AM
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13. One of several of that time
we can't discount Donald "Duck" Dunn, Jerry Jemott, David Hood, or Bob Babbitt either. Jamerson certainly has an identifiable style and groove...his parts were always perfect for the song.
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