The latest Star Trek Movie- A rant (spoiler alert)

Despite the flaws, I enjoyed the movie. I was all set to enjoy the new franchise. Only I discover that the next movie will be out in 2012 at the earliest! :wtf: :mad: That movie only served to reboot the franchise. So where's the beef?

Then there were some serious technical flaws (at least what a Trekkie would consider technical flaws0:


A starship like the Enterprise would not be constructed on earth, as they were not equipped for atmospheric flight.

Sorry but there is no way Kirk and Scotty could beam up to a ship that had spent hours warping away from the planet (better to have used a souped up shuttle).

Spock and Uhura seemed a bit contrived

When I saw the water tubes (with Scotty in them) going to the chomper I could help but think about the movie Galaxy Quest and Sigorney Weaver asking "who puts things like this in a starship?"

Sorry but a mining ship (even one with 100+ years tech advantage) could not take out 27 Klingon War Birds and 7 Star Fleet starships

Is there really a need to drill the planet? Couldn't a black hole next to the planet do the same thing?


Still all the flaws it looked like it could have been a great start of a new TV series or at least a regular franchise. Instead they did an outstanding job rebooting the series only to leave the fans wanting more.

"A starship like the Enterprise would not be constructed on earth, as they were not equipped for atmospheric flight."

They build sea going ships on land so why not?

As for the rest? If i can handle a sponge living in a pineapple under the sea then you can handle this.

At a space dock. I have no idea why this one time the Enterprise is being built on Earth.

Bird of Prey , but I think the Enterprise could have done it as well?

...Constitution Class Federation starships cannot. The Enterprise is much bigger than a BoP, and all that extra mass would be a big liability in an atmosphere.

As far as I know, only the Intrepid Class (aka Voyager) can land on planetary surfaces.

I'll admit, I had the exact same reaction to the water tubes thing but it didn't bother me because one of the things that made the original series so great was the tongue in cheek humor that was evident throughout.

Beaming to the ship from the planet seemed a stretch and I'll grant you that though I can easily look past it. I thought it was a lot of fun, the casting was very good and I think it brought back a lot of the best qualities of the original series.

Actually, I watched it 2 nights in a row because I enjoyed it so much.

I think there was a distance limit on transporter beaming, even in The Next Generation.

but, if you took an advanced ship from today - even a small warship like a destroyer, it would annihilate anything on the sea from the pre WWI era. Just with radar, sonar and the far superior weapon ranges and the 21st century ship would knock out most opponents miles before the old ships even knew it was there.

take on the the entire great white fleet at the same time?

I would say yes. The cutter is like 50% faster, has radar, sonar and it's main gun has a much greater range. It can hit targets without the 1900 era ships even knowing it is there.

could annihilate the entirety of the Spanish Armada. Twice.

I think 3 guys with rifles and unlimited ammo on a civilian speedboat could do it as well.

Unless they came from Brooklyn or the South, those Coast Guard guys would be totally tripped up by that tu/usted thing, and the Armada would wipe the proverbial floor with them.


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Why would there be an obviously well-used road leading up to the unstable edge of an abyss, with absolutely no safety barriers other than a wimpy gate a sport car can crash through without slowing down?

Good point...

But I loved the movie, flaws and all...it was fun, fast, familiar and not-familiar at the same time. I actually thought the casting was good and special effects tremendous. Loved the original, and all the copies and truly enjoyed this. But as a sci-fi fan who is still mourning the loss of Stargate Atlantis...I crave good space action.

In fact, I just kind of assumed that it was some kind of quarry or futuristic open mine... because of the chiseled or blasted walls and the proximity to the Iowas Starship-builders' construction facility.

Upon edit: Maybe that road was used to deliver mining equipment.

In #2 they didnt need a drill to dig a hole for the Genesis Device, they just launched it and it hit the surface of the planet and Whoosh created life. Seems the red matter could have had the same effect if it had just grazed near the planet and then sucked it in.

My question now:

Does the whole "time travel thingee" now mean that all of the stuff that we saw in movies 1-5 and in the original episodes never happens now?

but did they say something about the energy in the core of the planet activating the red matter, or am I simply imagining that? That could be possible that my imagination is running wild.

I believe that it means that anything that follows from Abrams' Star Trek will take place in a reality separate from the Trek universe as we've seen it up to this point.

This is interesting from a narrative standpoint because previous time travel escapades have taken place entirely within the scope of the "real" Trek universe. This is the first time we've seen that happens in the "other" universe spawned by whatever anachronistic event kicked off the story.

I believe there are now only 15 Vulcans left and no homeworld. Thta would suggest a new reality and anything that the Trekkers thought they knew now counts for nothing. That is until the crew of the Enterprise put it all back togther again in a later film.

They don't have to put up with 350-pound dudes wearing painfully tight spandex uniforms saying "According to the second edition Romulan fleet manual, the navigator always sits to the left of the communications officer, but in the new movie they show the navigator to the left of the Chief Security Officer. This is the worst. Movie. Ever." :P

...the "Enterprise" series and the original Star Trek pilot "The Cage."

Everything up to and including the execrable finale of ST:ENT is canon, and so is Abrams' Star Trek. It's just that they're two different canonical systems.

Of course, Roddenberry's view (according to Wiki) is "canon is whatever we're filming right at this moment," so it's not like there's an ironclad standard by which canonicity can be assessed.

ST:ENT is canon, as is the current movie. I included "The Cage," because that was the mission where Pike was captain, before Kirk's time, so it would have already happened by the time of the events in the movie.

I remember reading about Roddenberry's views on canon, but I still like to shoehorn some kind of logic into the whole messy story. ;)

before it and Nero travelled to the past.

Supposedly in the prequel comics they say that the Romulan Mining ship used salvaged Borg tech from the future.

Kirk, Spock (especially), McCoy and Uhura were well done. I'm buying the DVD twice this Christmas as presents.

Why are they bald? Also Romulus is destroyed when their sun goes nova? And thats the end of the Romulan Star Empire? These Romulans couldnt figure out their sun was about to explode at least a few hundred years before it happened? Did the empire only consist of one star system?

They also could have explained why Pike was so interested in getting Kirk into Starfleet. He went out of his way to get him to enlist and then promoted him to first officer when he wasnt even an officer yet. Did future Spock have some off screen conversation with him that would have been useful to the audience but was cut for some reason?

In Star Trek 2 Kirk said he got a commendation for original thinking for cheating on the Kobayashi Maru test. Was that going to be the result of his hearing??


They also said in a deleted scene that Nero was captured by the Klingons for 20 years on Rura Penthe but then he escaped and got back to his ship and destroyed a klingon fleet. So he was on Rura Penthe for 20 years and the klingons kept his super advanced Romulan/Borg ship in orbit the whole time?

If so that could be an explanation for why the Enterprise looks so damn advanced for its time now. Section 31 could have snuck on board the Romulan/Borg ship and stolen technology for the Federation.

Romulan Praetor: Hey, remember the time that Praxis blew up and almost wiped out the Klingons?

Romulan Flunky: Yeah, that was a riot! Good thing we'll never have to worry about stuff like that.

and blow it up and fuck logic or science, and totally fuck even having some kind of internal consistency.

Just patch a bunch of cool shit-blowing-up scenes together and fuck the story or whether any of it makes sense, because, for the sake of fuck, man, it's explosions and boobs!!

Was someone playing with the sun and made it unstable? Did Q get bored and start blowing up stars?

... and demeaningly sexist

The idea of them as lovers is not inherently so -- the portrayal and (director's) treatment of Uhura definitely was.

And why did she have to look like bloody Beyonce when all the other main actors were so damn homely? I hated the Kirk actor -- the perpetual bad boy boos boos on his ugly (nothing like Kirk's) face. The only thing he seemed able to do was imitate Kirk's tagline on the bridge in the final scene.

The fight scene in the first seconds of the movie made sure every knew this would be a macho deal.

Bana was a good bad guy.

The scenes with Spock were the most compelling -- although his DIS-similarity to Spock was distracting. The eyes and mouth were totally wrong. That one character at least needed to resemble the original. Maybe his acting made up for it.

Bones -- loved ya on Xena. The acting here was campy and over the top -- but so was McCoy.

Someone else mentioned the pacing as being better than the previous Trek films. It wasn't as plodding as the earlier versions but it was scattershot, not cohesive and not great filmmaking. The fight scene that turned into a videogame was jarring. The film was a bunch of sequences slapped (carefully) together and could have been more unified (for us long attention span types).

LOVED that Captain Pike was featured and loved his acting.

And the tech stuff? There were so many holes and suspended disbelief requirements already, they had you going with all of it, including it all being an alternate reality anyway so what the hell.



edit for: "(carefully)"

as Syler. I was waiting for him to cut someone's head open.

What are you suggesting?

What does it mean to "look like Beyonce" esp. in contrast to "all the other main actors were so damn homely"?

Perhaps you can sort that out, although I'm sure there are people who expect that level of stereotypical perfection and grooming from women and don't observe the contrasting homeliness of the men. Such a visual medium -- was it all by accident, based only on acting skills?

They presented Uhura as a 21st century stereotype of black beauty that Beyonce has popularized.




"Spock and Uhura was completely contrived and demeaningly sexist ..."

"The idea of them as lovers is not inherently so -- the portrayal and (director's) treatment of Uhura definitely was.""

Pegg played him as Stock Scotsman #143, embodying every "funny" cliche about Scots that anyone can think of.

Also, it appears that you're annoyed because the male actors weren't adequate eye-candy. That's up to you, of course, but I know a great many women who find this incarnation of Spock, Kirk, and Sulu to be quite attractive.

I'll agree with you about the Spock/Uhura romance being contrived, however, because it most certainly was, but I don't find it particularly sexist. At least not solely against women. Spock is portrayed as intellectually competent but, in the end, your Basic Dumb Male who doesn't know how to express emotions. That's pretty darned retrograde, if you ask me. So the contrived relationship itself was a stereotype of a basic compassionate, nurturing female giving emotional support to a basic emotionally stunted male.

"So the contrived relationship itself was a stereotype of a basic compassionate, nurturing female giving emotional support to a basic emotionally stunted male."

And the way the "basic compassionate, nurturing female" was portrayed was extremely sexist, which still isn't evident to some people who accept those stereotypes (and that includes some women). Not even an acknowledgment they had Uhura undress for a leering, just-laid, voyeuristic Kirk (and the audience) about ten minutes into the film? :eyes:

The "eye candy" comment is again, obtuse. You ignore the context of my comments and the question I asked about the film makers character/actor choices.

But we did pretty good this time. Let's leave it there. :hi:

:toast:

on edit: And I forgot about the undressing-in-front-of-Kirk scene. Can't really justify that one, I admit.

The biggest annoyance overall was that stupid troll thing that Scotty hung around with. It was a pointless addition.

But in the original series Chekhov was a competent science officer from the beginning. In the movie, he was mostly just an excuse to make a joke about people who talk "funny."

#2: if yer gonna be funny with the W vs. V thing, FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN DO A DECENT ACCENT.

Thank you.

I was disappointed that the new movie seems to have abandoned the values that made the Federation interesting in the first place. Prominent product placement (Nokia, Budweiser, Jack Daniels) and punitive divorce settlements (McCoy's nickname is "Bones" because his ex-wife cleaned him out, leaving only his bones), indicates that the new Trek universe is as relentlessly capitalistic and material-possession oriented as our own.

I guess all that "we don't use money" and "Humanity now seeks to improve itself" stuff from the series got thrown out the window when product-placement cash came a-callin'.

and macho. Not a coincidence.

The whole bar-fight scene over "the lady's honor" was a total throwback, not only to the Federation's past, but to our own. Were those meatheads really the best Starfleet could find?

In Voyager there was Captain Braxton of The Federation Timeship Relativity. He would show up whenever Voyager would do something with time travel.

And in Enterprise there was that Daniels guy who would always make Archer fix the timeline whenever those lizard people would go back in time.


So why isnt anyone showing up to keep the Romulan ship from blowing up Vulcan?

or something like that...