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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:02 AM
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Why don't online job listings indicate the offered salary?
Spare me the bullshit about "compensation commensurate with experience," because that doesn't mean shit.

Give me a fucking idea of whether I'm applying for a job that pays minimum wage or one that pays $55K per year, because the listings themselves sure as hell don't give any clue one way or the other.

And if it's a goddamn sales position with no base salary, then say so, for Christ's sake.


Why don't you save both of us the trouble, because if I can see that the job is bullshit then I won't bother to apply.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:10 AM
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1. This is a major pet peeve -
at least show a range if you are going to say it is dependent on experience.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:31 AM
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2. They want as wide a range of resumes as possible
One company I used to work for required that a certain number of candidates be a minority before they could actually fill the position. So, if you get 200 resumes for a job, you have a better chance of hitting that minimum number than if you get 20 when you post the salary range, even though the final candidates will most likely be among the 20.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:49 PM
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4. That's crappy, but it sounds exactly right, alas.
So basically the bottom 180 in your example are just fluff and fodder?


Unsurprising.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:57 PM
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10. Most of them are
There could be an occasional "diamond in the rough" in there, but most likely it's just fluff. The company that did that is a big one and did have a good track record of hiring minorities and women, believe it or not, and their current CEO is African-American. I'm sure there are other companies that did that as well, but I was not privy to the details.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:42 PM
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3. They also don't want to get locked into paying people the max they'd offer as
some applicants will take x and others want x+y if they can get people for x they don't want to offer x+y in a listing. The best I did when applying to positions I wasn't sure about the pay was find out as much about the company, position etc I could so I could guess what they might be paying.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:51 PM
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5. Very possibly true, but couldn't they specify a bottom figure?
Like instead of saying "The job pays between $40K and $60K per year," they could say "Salary starts at $40K or higher, depending on experience" couldn't they?



Jerks!
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:15 PM
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13. A bottom figure?
Well, then that would lock them in to paying that much for an employee. Shoot! The next interviewee could very well be happy taking $10/hour since he's been unemployed for the last 2 years...
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:57 PM
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6. Not All Job Ads Are Meant To Actually Hire People (Piplining)
Some are meant to be for a pipeline. Companies are well aware of their attrition rate, meaning they know that they will lose a certain percentage of their employees in a year or so. Thus, they place ads with the goal of creating a running source of potential applicants for positions just in case.

I was told this by a HR consultant.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:59 PM
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7. I feel your pain... also - I posted my resume on Monster.com
for just a few days, and was inundated with interview offers from insurance companies that sounded more like MLM or Pyramid schemes... It really pissed me off.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:01 PM
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11. "I've reviewed your resume and think you'd be an excellent candidate..."
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 03:03 PM by NewJeffCT
to sell our insurance products."

Does that sound about right?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:27 PM
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12. I get about a dozen of those each week
They talk a lot about "unlimited earning potential" and they sure make it sound like it's a guaranteed success story.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:52 PM
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14. Yep....
And it makes me angry because, somewhere there is someone who is really destitute, and is really needing a job - and then he gets this and gets his hopes up, only to find out its true nature...
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:32 PM
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8. That's the sickest part of a job hunt, wasting time on applications that aren't gonna work out.
When I have been called in for interviews for that kind of job, "commensurate with experience" usually meant "how low can we go?"
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:50 PM
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9. And they have you over a proverbial barrel
If they ask you to name a salary requirement, how do you know what they think is a reasonable range? If you overshoot their mark by several thousand, they'll say "thanks for your time" and move onto the next candidate. But if you undercut your own ideal salary, you'll short-change yourself.

Sure, a job that pays $29K (or whatever) might not be ideal, but it's a damn sight better than whatever one is currently making as a temp. So even if $29K isn't one's ideal, it might be a considerable step up from current circumstances.
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