Who else invented Punk Rock?

Excluding the usuals (The Clash, Sex Pistols, Iggy Pop, Jonathan Richman)

Whom I've never 'got'

They have some cute songs, but nothing that could stand up to 'Sandanista!'

I guess if you can consider VU as protopunk, then you should consider The Who as such as well

Of course VU is also protopostpunk :)

and the Kinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtk5Lor_0E
"The Witch".....The Sonics

maybe The Screamers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCOGt_jcT9k
"The Scream".....The Screamers


Tikki

just posted a Sonics song as part of a Facebook conversation earlier today. Never had posted anything of theirs anywhere, nor ever even had a conversation that included them in my entire life (as far as I can remember) until about 6 hours ago.

Paul Revere & the Raiders, the Kingsmen, the Wailers...all these bands
played our local halls.

I am positive that my immersion into Punk during the 70's was
linked to growing up hearing these bands....



Tikki

If anyone else sees this and is confused by the inclusion of The Wailers....hey boyz and girlz, it's not Marley, it's these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufy42r2gREU



I mentioned the great 60's garage /punk era down below in the thread; we had a lot of very punky bands in Chicago too, including the Knaves, who I posted a song of, as well as the Little Boy Blues, The Trolls, The Shadows of Knight, even though our most commercially successful were not as edgy (although in my opinion still very good) like The New Colony 6, The Buckinghams, Ides of March, The Flock ( who eventually turned into a fusion band and gave the world Jerry Goodman of the Mahavishnu Orchestra), and my nominee for best of all the Chicago bands at that time , The Cryan Shames. But like the northwest, there were some great protopunk things happening in the mid 60's in Chicago and no doubt many other localized scenes..

dusty ole town in E. Washington State...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GOUdfQXGw
"Gloria"...Shadows of Knight....their version defines garage...


Tikki

first rocknroll concert I ever saw; The Shadows with the New Colony 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20S_kwNb4rg&feature=related

The Sonics - FTW!

when I read your post the first time, the old eyes aren't what they used to be :crazy:

These guys were in the Army stationed in Germany in 1966.

1966!
Monk Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MmSl0xu0ec&feature=search

I Hate You.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eOuPeAfOeE&feature=related

Monk Chant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5iI0__9S1c&feature=related

Going back further, Question Mark & the Mysterians

This box set is out of print and is going for "scalper prices" on Amazon, but the short answer to your question is "these guys."

Any punk rocker worth a damn took a page from their book. Remember Sid Vicious' cover version of Cochran's "Something Else?"



http://www.amazon.com/Loud-Fast-Out-Control-Sounds/dp/B00000IQ17/

i might even include buddy holly in that list
a lot of holly is attitude

i might even include buddy holly in that list
a lot of holly is attitude

Pete Townsend is the next generation, and rightly revered as a father. The notion of the electric guitar as a weapon seems central.

usuals" but should be mentioned anyway.

oh yeah, exene and john doe/X. perhaps they are "the usuals" as well. :shrug:

on edit: I erroneously listed henry rollins as with minor threat but that would be ian mackaye. brainfart.

followed by the Ramones.

They go way back, and were clearly on that punk line.

it is largely based on Gene Vincent and others of his era combined with early 60's shitty pop and a little bit of Elvis' whiter sounding music. Rockabilly without the blues influence-white boys music.

It's beginning is possibly best seen here: http://www.newyorkcitywalk.com/html/images_CBGB.html

and possibly heard here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAJeimYyaY8&feature=related

mark

the original rockabilly guys ... Check out Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis etc and tell me that a "proper" parent in the 50's wouldn't have thought the world was coming to an end from what they looked and sounded like.
I also give credit to the one hit (or just local) garage bands of the 60's for keeping that spirit alive. This is an unknown classic from a Chicago band called the Knaves from 1967 ( or so it says on answers.com; I could've sworn it was '66); pretty sure it was with possibly the most classic punk lyric of all time: "why don't you choke yourself and, leave me alone".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fE9RT72rRw

But punk rock as I think the OP was thinking in terms of,it's probably The NY Dolls or the Ramones, although when you really listen, I think the Ramones were in some ways East coast surf music, and they did cover songs like California Sun, Do Ya Wanna Dance , not to mention Rockaway Beach ("they've got their surfboards" with all that surf-y harmony...)

Also, it is likely that the early punk rockers in England credited Gene and Eddie as an influence because Gene and Eddie were freakin' huge in England. Lots more popular over there than here in the States. Their parents probably had Gene ane Eddie records.

That early raw white rock n' roll sound being was being watered down by the likes of Dick Clark and the bands from Philly. American tastes in pop music were moving on by the late 50's. Gene and Eddie did tours of England together at that time and both appeared on British TV. It was an American invasion of sorts and many later English rockers like Beck and Page et al. were witness to those shows. Gene and Eddie were in the same English cab wreck that killed Eddie in '60.

Gene was the original rock n' roll bad boy. He wore all black leather outfits on stage years before Elvis or Morrison in '68.

I would not call Gene a rockabilly though. Gene is one of the first white rock n' roll artist. A true to form rockabilly band does not have a drum set or an electric bass guitar. Gene busted from that form and did what black rock n' roll artists (like Chuck Berry, Ike Turner)and a very few white Southern artists (like Carl Perkins) had been doing for years when he did "Be-Pop-A-Lula". That song features a loud drum set, loud electric guitar solo, electric bass and some kid screaming like he was stabbed or something. After that, Elvis, Eddie, Buddy and countless others added a drummer, electric bass and became white rock n' rollers as well.

Though the terms rockabilly and rock n' roll are mistakenly, though commonly, used interchangeably. Stylistically speaking, to musicians and musicologists at least, there are differences. All rockabilly is rock n' roll but, not all rock n' roll is rockabilly. Rockabilly, in it's early pure form was much more related to country music. The term "rockabilly" actually started as an insult or smear by established white country artists (like the Louvin Brothers) and DJ's towards guys like Elvis, Charlie Feathers and Jerry Lee and Billy Lee Riley. Young white kids playing race music with fervor was bad enough but it was really bad when those guys started to sell more records than you.


A good example of the progression from early rockabilly to white rock n' roll is this; Rockabilly Elvis band: Blue Moon of Kentucky/Thats Alright Mama vs. Rock n' roll Elvis band: Heart Break Hotel/Hound Dog. Part of that sonic change reflects the move to RCA but also the progression of the acceptance of what once was called race music by the mainstream and the change in instrumentation from hillbilly string band to two electric guitars, electric bass and ever increasingly loud drummers. Rockabilly gave birth to and later became eclipsed by white rock n' roll. The term "rock n' roll" is now a blanket for a million styles of pop music and some folks call any band with an upright bass and hollowbody guitars a rockabilly band.

Punk rock of course has it's own evolution but, I think Steve Jones said punk rock was dead by the time the Sex Pistols got to the West coast on their first US tour and I tend to agree.

I think the ties between rockabilly/early white rock n' roll and punk rock are the primal energy in the music, the willingness to synthesize styles, destroy musical conventions and the fun of making music for the fun of it. Fuck art, let's dance!

punks then, punks now.

and the blues artists that preceded them whose attitude they appropriated.

Thanks for the laugh!

is the answer.

Listen to it with headphones.

There are a lot of similarities between punk and what the edgier rockabilly and blues guys were doing in the 50's. We know Iggy Pop was in Chicago learning blues before he joined the Stooges. Punk was the next logical evolution of that sound. The Chicago guys brought Southern blues and made it urban. Punk is an urban, northern outgrowth of Rockabilly and a certain style of blues.

Seriously, how different is this than anything the Sex Pistols did? Simple, bare bones energy recorded in 1949.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ji8YfLPcQ

and just in time for my snooze.

BTW Van der Graff had nothing on Tesla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vwHuCC6nP8

:wtf:

I hear prog rock coming from that band but not much punk at all. No self respecting punk rock song clocks in at over 3 minutes, has keyboards and especially not a synthesizer. Punk is really the antithesis of prog rock. That is why I thought you were joking.

But honestly, I wasn't joking.

There are a lot of music critics and others out there who consider VdGG's material to be a sort of progressive music laced with a punk style. They were just doing it nearly a decade before Punk Rock as we know it was born, so of course there are major stylistic differences. And I do understand that most punk songs are very short and don't use keyboards.

Anyway, again I apologize for my tone in my first response. Sometimes around here, it's hard to know when someone's kidding or they're being intentionally jerkish.

le sigh :(

Even did a song about it: "I was a punk before you were a punk." Here endeth the discussion.

...not saying she "invented" punk, but neither did any other single artist, IMO.

Patti was pretty punk in her early days, I'd say, and influential to the evolution of the punk scene.

heh

:hi:

Listen to the riffs and forget the heavy metal label.

set the stage for the irreverence and thrash of Punk.

Best definition of Punk I ever heard was: 'Leaderless, Lordless and Loud'.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9cCWm53H4
"CIA Man"...The Fugs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow
"Surfin' Bird".....The Trashmen



Tikki