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audibledevil Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 05:59 PM
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When will DK drop out?
Seriously... will he pull a Keyes or will he drop like Gary Bauer?
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:06 PM
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2. After the election is complete, I expect.
What would be the point of 'dropping out' any other time?
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:13 PM
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6. sounds like a good time
(If he wins, may he stay in:)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:13 PM
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7. To give focus to the front runners.
Five of the nine or more will be gone after March.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:54 AM
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26. The way things look now, try six or seven...
But that could all change come the actual primaries.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:11 PM
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4. Hopefully soon.
He's drawing away many voters from Edwards. Nice guy, though.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:01 PM
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23. His supporters wouldn't go to Edwards anyway.
AS much as I like Edwards, Edwards voting record is not good with respect to the environment. He's better than Dean but it will take some work to get the environmentalists to vote for him. Personally I like the idea of having a trial attorney in the White House and I've seen Edwards improve his position on other issues. So if he gets the nomination, I would have no problem supporting him.

I think Sharpton and Kerry are the second choices for most DK supporters. DK and Sharpton are drawing a lot from each other and I wish these two would work out a deal and present a united front and consolidate their votes.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:43 AM
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27. They're going to drop out soon, too.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:11 PM
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5. I hope he does not drop out until a candidate is nominated.
I do like him also.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:26 PM
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10. I have no idea, but . . .
Dennis Kucinich is not going to be President of the United States, not in this election nor any in the future.

He is, however, a very effective message candidate. Therefore, while one might see Kerry, Lieberman or Gephardt dropping out after poor showings in the early primaries, Kucinich could conceivably stay in the race while finishing even lower than the others just to articulate that message. The others named really want to be president. Each would be wasting his time to continue running if he is not going to win. Kucinich has other motivations.

I agree with Mr. Kucinich on the issues more than the other candidates; however, I believe he lacks the mettle needed to be an effective president. Nevertheless, I'm glad he's running. It isn't a waste of either his time or ours that he is. Kucinich is the kind of candidate who can tell Ted Koppel where to get off; somebody needs to tell those who work for the corporate media that they have failed to do their jobs and why. A candidate more likely to win would have to be too circumspect to do that. Kucinich could and did beautifully.

While I have my misgivings about the kind of president Mr. Kucinich would make, and while I believe he (not Howard Dean) would be the candidate to lead the Democrats down to a McGovern-like disaster, I may vote for him in the California primary. If I seriously thought he could win the nomination, I probably wouldn't. Nevertheless, I could vote for him in the spirit of saying, "Attaboy, Dennis!"



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dd123 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:30 PM
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11. He is never dropping out and why should he?
As a Dean supporter I say let him be.



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Deesh Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:40 PM
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12. Wrong question.
I take this opportunity to express the ardent hope that George W. Bush drop out of the 2004 race for President.

The original message asked when Kucinich will drop out. The question before us as Democrats is when Bush should dropout. He has failed to unite the country and he is terrifying our allies.

Bush is less articulate than any of the nine announced Democrats running for the White House. He is less visionary than any of the nine as well. He is less, period.

Given the monstrous failures in the national budget, the war in Iraq, and in many other areas, I feel it is time to call for Mr. Bush to step down.

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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 06:55 PM
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13. A thought...
Although I do not want him to drop out (nor think his candidacy will be fruitful unforts), I also do not want him to lose his seat. Perhaps the most good for all the people could be accomplish if he were to make sure of his future involvement in government. If he continues to run, will his term run out? Thoughts on this from DK supporters? Are you willing to lose this Congress member even if you recognize that his time will not be fruitful? Honestly, I think this is a tough call, because idealism and utilitarianism can most definately clash.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 07:32 PM
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14. Why is it always DK who is supposed to drop out?
Maybe because some people have a vested interest in the status quo?
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OrAnarch Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:29 PM
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15. There is no reason he must...
But address my question though. Despite the fact that I like Kucinich and realize the neccessity of his message, would he bring the most good for the people by expressing that message for the next few months, or by retaining his Congressional seat and participating in the system for a few more years? Does the idealistic stance get in the way of a more pragmatic utilitarianism, in which he could bring a far better tommorrow to the people? There is no way to peer into the future and see what each result would be, but he is a good man and I know how much he is needed in government. Whatever option produces the best chance for him to participate and make a positive difference, Id opt for.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:21 PM
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17. ..because he has almost zero following.
Dennis is hopelessly out of touch with America.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:29 PM
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19. Wrong.
America is out of touch with hope. Dennis is perfectly in tune with human progress, it's the rest of the country that's lagging behind him.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 01:45 PM
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34. how's bout these folk drop out first...
CMB
JL
JE
AS
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 12:56 AM
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32. Zero following?
If the posts in GD-2004 are correct, he's raised more than Clark this quarter.
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:21 AM
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37. OK Whatever
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:56 PM
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22. BEcause Dennis has got the best shot at beating Bush
That's why the Republicans are pushing so hard for Dean. They want to run against a candidate they can beat
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 09:09 PM
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16. DK shouldn't drop out.
He's a voice we need to hear. He's not my choice, but he has a message that should be heard. I really hope he stays in until the end.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:53 AM
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18. I doubt he will
He has no reason to drop out, frankly, because dropping out gains him and his agenda no 'place at the table', come convention time.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:29 PM
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20. The day he takes the Oath of Office. n/t
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:18 PM
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24. DK is not dropping out!!! Not until Jan. 2005!!!
No sign of DK dropping out - he's raised close to $1,600,000 eligible for matching funds! :D



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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:33 PM
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25. January 20, 2005
I'm planning to attend his inauguration.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:05 PM
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28. He's not running to win
so he isn't likely to drop out anytime soon. His lack of success isn't any surprise to him, so why would he change course?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:08 PM
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29. oh, did he tell you this freddie?
He's told many of us that he is in to stay and running to win.
You really shouldn't speak for him..

Lack of success?? according to you evidently.

You don't have a clue ... DK will not ever "drop out"...he's in til the decision is made...and I will be cheering at his inauguration by the way!

Peace
DR
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:11 AM
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36. If raising little $$ and finishing at the bottom of every poll is success,
I am curious what failure looks like.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:04 AM
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38. Freddie Stubbs = Ted Koppel?? n/t
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:13 PM
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30. He absolutely is planning to become President.
There have been some people on his staff who have a different agenda but, if you see him, you know he's serious when he talks about his Presidency.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:46 PM
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31. Kucinich has common sense......
......I believe that our countrys over reaction to hyper-patriotism on a wing and a prayer has run its course.....level-headedness will return to the voting booths and DK will be poised to capture the heartbeat of our country simply by staying on message.....maybe he represents the conscience of our country whose time has come.....
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yelladawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 01:09 PM
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33. When will Lieberman drop out?
When will Lieberman drop out?
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 03:10 PM
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35. good question..
....another one is what direction will his following take after he does drop out?....I tend to believe NH will be the watershed event for the progressive elements within the Dem party....
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