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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:29 PM
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Can Gore beat Bush Again?
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 06:31 PM by shatoga
Nobody has excited voters yet.
Dean and Kerry have thier supporters.
but;

Al Gore already got more votes than Bush in 2000!

All we need with a Gore/Kerry or Gore/Dean slate
is an honest vote count.

'Can we get an honest vote count?'
is the proper way to ask 'can we win?'

A nice bloody campaign to keep the rightwing controlled media slavering and reporting.
A nice bloodly convention to get coverage by the rightwing slanted media.
then Gore by acclimation and the most popular as VP.

We could win this thing.


We could take back America and restore the Constitution!

We cannot just support our favorite son while voting machines choose the Re-publican regardless of actual votes cast.

Greens should have learned by now that there is a vast difference between Al Gore (genuine environmentalist) the author of "Earth in The Balance" with a pristine pro-environment voting record and Nader with his RNC financed commercials and "no difference between the parties lies" helping Bush win in 2000.

See links for proofs:

This is information worth sharing.
Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/voting.shtml
How to fix an election via the backdoor


source:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001228.html

Only a Gore/? ticket can win with an overwhelming majority
and let us successfully contest the results of FIXED elections.



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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:21 PM
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1. No, I don't think he can.
If he wanted to be in this race, he needed to get in long ago. If he tried to enter the race now, he'd just be seen as a usurper.
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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 08:25 PM
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2. so losing with honor is better than winning and making US better?
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 08:27 PM by shatoga
Send your checks to help me move,
and I'll shut up and let you help re-elect Bush.

None of these clowns would outpoll our dogcatcher!

(edit for spelling)
If we draft Gore and beat Bush we all win.
The entire USA.
If we stick with this field of losers who, none of them, have the courage to criticize Bush,
we lose.
Is that the goal?
To give Bush 4 more years?
It seems that the Casper Milquetoast candidates would at least once say:
"Bush lied thousands died!"
Instead they spout pablum that Bush minions can easily counter.

Any Democrats left in America? *besides me?)

Do you all want to bend over and offer a jar of vaselene to Repukes?

Not my country!
Not the America I fought and sacrificed for.


Should I just move overseas and let you lukewarm (no real criticism of)Bush Democrats help give Bush 4 more years?


Send your checks to help me move,
and I'll shut up and let you help re-elect Bush.

None of these clowns would outpoll our dogcatcher!



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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 02:20 PM
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3. Don't let the press and the pugs restrict what we do! Al Gore and the
Democrats can do as we please and if we want Al we get Al. There is more us us than there is of them and we won the last time and WE WILL WIN THIS TIME. AL GORE IS OUR MAN (in my view)!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 02:32 PM
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4. I can't see supporting a man who won't run for the office.
If Gore wants to be President, let him run. I'm NEVER going to support a "draft". Why work for a "candidate" without the motivation to actually run?
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RegenerationMan Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:17 PM
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5. Gore was losing to Kerry big-time in the last poll
Just before he hung it up, Kerry was beating Gore by 15 points in a NH poll. That's why he dropped out. He would have lost NH big-time and didn't want to look ridiculous.
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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:53 AM
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6. skull and bonesmen win biased polls/or do we all like S&B/NWO
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 02:58 AM by shatoga
this worries me.

we (america) can win if only;
democrats have a bloody enough primary and convention for even the rightwing owned and controlled (news?) media to give grudging coverage.

Then draft Gore;
Al Gore who has already proven he can win more votes than bush and is a genuine emvironmentalist
who can win back Greens to the real environmental party.
(unlike Nader the fraud whose TV ads were bought with Republican money in 2000)

Time to think about America instead of partisan politics?

I believe it has always been that time.

4 Democrats 5 opinions?

State why you want to lose to the NWO with Kerry.
Or just lose with Dean or someone else nobody knows.

Every American knows the last names of three Democratic Families:

Kennedy (none are yet ready, or likely to survive a run)
Clinton (Hillary is locked into keeping her word to NY state)
Gore!~already won in 2000 by actual honest vote count.

All we need is an honest count to elect Gore.

Please give a reason to lose with anyone else
instead of winning with Gore.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 07:05 PM
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7. Dude you need to quit lying!
I hate when people lie to make a point!

Here: http://www.primarymonitor.com/news/stories2002/nhpoll120902.shtml

The poll, from Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion, had Gore, the party's unsuccessful nominee in 2000, favored by 31 percent of Democrats and independents who say they may vote in the primary, traditionally the first in the nation.

Kerry, from neighboring Massachusetts, had the support of 28 percent of the potential primary voters.

This poll was from Dec 9th. You need to quit lying to make points. There is no way in hell Kerry would beat Gore by 15pts in Mass, much less NH!



Also look at this poll from NH: http://draftgore.com/index.htm

A Franklin Pierce College poll of likely New Hampshire Democratic Presidential Primary voters conducted on March 30-31 found John Kerry and Howard Dean in a virtual dead heat.

"The two, however, could not outpace former Vice President and 2000 Democratic Party nominee Al Gore if he were a candidate in the race," said Rich Killion, director of Franklin Pierce's Marlin Fitzwater Center for Communication in his press release.

Gore drew 29.2% of likely Democratic primary voters, compared to 21% each for Kerry and Dean. Moreover, crosstabulations also indicate that Gore would draws votes from voters who would otherwise back many of the other candidates, indicating he has widespread support among various segments of the electorate.

"What was particularly interesting was that 30% of those undecided on a candidate stated that they would make Al Gore their first choice if he were to run," Killion said in his press release: "This illustrates the Vice President can still draw from cross-segments of his party."



Then the newest poll: http://www.wate.com/global/ad.asp?type=core&adtargwindow=Ad.TargetFrame.NewWin&rnd=85172042846678&sz1=banner&tg1=News&src1=wn&frm1=frm1&sz2=Bu120x60A&tg2=News&src2=aff&frm2=frm2&sz3=Bu120x60B&tg3=News&src3=aff&frm3=frm3&sz4=Bu120x60C&tg4=News&src4=aff&frm4=frm4&sz5=We120x15&tg5=News&src5=aff&frm5=frm5&sz6=SpH490x25&tg6=News&src6=aff&frm6=frm6&sz7=120x600&tg7=News&src7=wn&frm7=frm7&sz8=180x150&tg8=News&src8=aff&frm8=frm8&sz9=VB120x240A&tg9=News&src9=aff&frm9=frm9&sz10=VB120x240B&tg10=News&src10=wn&frm10=frm10&sz11=Poll88x31&tg11=News&src11=aff&frm11=frm11&sz12=RichMedia&tg12=News&src12=wn&frm12=frm12&sz13=Popup&tg13=News&src13=aff&frm13=frm13

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A political poll released today shows Democrat John Kerry holds a slight lead over rival Howard Dean in the opinion of likely New Hampshire primary voters.

But the poll shows Al Gore would beat them both if there were a draft campaign for the former vice president.

Gore garnered 25 percent to Kerry's 17 percent and Dean's 16 percent.

Gore announced in December he won't seek his party's nomination. With him out of the equation, the American Research Group poll showed Kerry at 26 percent and Dean at 19 percent.


Please post accurate information from now on unless you want to be made out an idiot.

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keek Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 07:35 PM
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8. no
IMO, Gore lost his chance to really beat bush. I would have done things much differently than he did. He didn't run on Clinton's prosperity, he rarely mentioned clinton, it made him look like he was ashamed of it. He didn't even carry his own state.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Gore, I actually feel bad for him.
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keek Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:20 PM
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9. you're missing out
if you think that no one has excited voters yet!!!


Over 2,000 people in Dallas!!!

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/az%207<1>.12.03%20014.jpg
over 2,000 people in Tuscon

Dean Supporters Worldwide: 61558 have signed up.

www.blogforamerica.com
www.deanforamerica.com
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 04:11 AM
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11. No offense but half these people in this photo don't look old enough to
vote.


J4Clark
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:07 AM
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10. Gore could beat Bush again...
and if he jumped back in the race, i would immediately withdraw support from Kerry and give it to him. He's earned it.
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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:05 PM
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12. That's the point! as you've stated: "Gore could beat Bush again"
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 05:09 PM by shatoga
"Gore could beat Bush again..."
Posted by SyracuseDemocrat
and if he jumped back in the race, i would immediately withdraw support from Kerry and give it to him. He's earned it.


Name recognition!
Already won the vote in 2000!
A genuine environmentalist who could win back thinking Greens!


In a more local race:

Republicans voted in and fixed machines in the Democratic primary to keep "Reno from running against Jeb Bush.

why?

Name recognition!

Running against someone noone knows was a big help to Jeb Bush.

Nobody knows any Democrats in America,
except Kennedys, Clintons and;
Al Gore.

Everybody (even Republicans) knows Gore won the vote in 2000.

given enough poll watchers and recounts to get an honest vote count.

Gore is a sure winner in '04!

All the others are just a sideshow designed to re-elect Bush;
in a predictable Bush vs (unknown) race.



As I eventually ask in almost all topics:
"What do the rest of you have against winning?"

Just whose advice tells US Democrats to back a darkhorse instead of a proven winner?
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."-VI Lenin








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Dear Prudence Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:54 PM
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13. I think you need to study the candidates some more
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 05:55 PM by Dear Prudence
I'm sitting on the Dean fence, but I think its worth your while to pay attention to ALL the candidates. We need to unite and support WHOEVER makes the nomination. At this point, Gore had his chance to jump in at xmas - he did not. But even though he won last time by popular votes, he'd have to sharpen up his style. Bush created this "post 911 world" we are constantly reminded of, and its going to take somebody strong to win the votes from the "mesmerized" Americans. Gore needs to get in the action and start working to help save America with support. Clinton could stand to do this too (although I hope he waits until we have a nominee to do this).
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:42 PM
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14. If Gore is so great
why isnt he a candidate?
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shatoga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 02:14 AM
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15. we need a bloody primary and convention to get RW media coverage
The media loves Republicans and hates Democrats.
they ignored our last convention entirely.

Only bloodletting can get TV radio and newspaper coverage.

candidates should bash th edictator Bush and each other to get coverage.

Then After coverage, that finally lets us get our message past the conservative news managers.

We draft the proven winner gore.

The most popular nobody becomes VP
Nader as Attorney General to buy off the easily bought Green deceiver.


Poll watchers at all polling places and recounts with proven
(exit polls; notarized statement- "I did NOT ovte for Bush!")
evidence to show massive fraud by Republicans.

American renewal!

gore/whomever bvictory for America.

Not just for some RNC controlled FAUX canmpaign to re-select Bush.

An actual victory for America!


who said:
"If nominated i will not run;
If elected I will not serve."?

wasn't he President because of that subtrufuge?


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