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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 11:42 PM
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FL Dems are rippin each other......Penelas accused of hurting Gore.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2003308250341

SNIP...."LEESBURG -- In an audacious attack on a rival that he said was necessary if Florida's Democrats are to keep a Senate seat in 2004, U.S. Rep. Peter Deutsch used a candidates' forum Sunday to blast Miami-Dade Mayor Alex Penelas as a party traitor with felonious campaign finance practices.

Deutsch, speaking at a luncheon sponsored by the Lake County Democratic Executive Committee, said Penelas cost the Democrats the White House in 2000. He also repeated his demand that Penelas should waive his right to confidentiality in a Federal Elections Commission investigation into allegations of illegally coerced donations.

"Primaries are about weeding out candidates with problems," said Deutsch, a six-term congressman who represents southeast Broward and northeast Miami-Dade counties......"

I don't know Deutsch, but I know my feelings are about Penelas are NOT good. I had heard he supported Jeb, and there were rumors he had hurt Gore's chances in South Florida in 2000. He was here at the political rally Friday night, and he got the cold shoulder from our Dean meet-up chair who had known him in Miami.

Tell me about Deutsch.


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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-03 11:49 PM
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1. I don't like Pinelas
I share your concerns about Pinelas. IIRC, he endorsed Gore but waited until very late to do so. He was also a divisive figure in the whole Elian Gonzalez saga.

Deutch strikes me as a centrist/moderate Dem. He may be our best hope if Graham decides not to run. Rep. Alcee Hastings (District 23 in Miramar, I believe) probaly is more of a liberal, but would have a difficult time winning statewide. He was impeached as a federal judge in the 1980's. Betty Castor, Florida's former Education Commissioner, is also running.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 12:24 AM
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2. Sword hangs over Alex Penelas
Sword hangs over Alex Penelas

``I was an early and strong supporter of Al Gore. I helped him and President Clinton raise millions of dollars and I helped him win Miami-Dade County by 30,000 votes.''

-- Miami-Dade Mayor Alex Penelas

When Alex Penelas made those comments last month, they created an uproar. Anyone who actually followed the 2000 presidential election remembers Penelas abandoned Gore in the final months of the race, and worse, had turned his back on his supposed friend during the infamous Florida recount.

And yet in recent weeks, Penelas has been trying to rewrite that history. Campaigning to be the state's Democratic nominee next year for the United States Senate, Penelas has portrayed himself as a party stalwart who stood shoulder to shoulder with Gore.

Penelas' words angered his rivals.

U.S. Rep. Peter Deutsch, who is also running for the Senate seat being vacated by Bob Graham, referred to Penelas as ``a pathological liar.''

U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, another Senate contender, laughed at the notion Penelas helped Gore, describing Penelas instead as ``a negative inside the Democratic Party machinery.''

All this rancor made me wonder if Al Gore had heard about the mayor's boastful claims that he was a ''strong supporter'' of the former vice president and that he was instrumental in helping Gore gather votes in Miami-Dade County.

''I had heard that, yes,'' Gore told me when I reached him by phone on Saturday.

What did he think of the mayor's revisionist memory?

Gore paused for a moment.

''I don't have any comment on that,'' he said. ``I would just prefer not to comment on it.''

But then he quickly added: ``I don't rule out commenting on it at a later time, but I don't care to comment on it right now.''

And to make sure I heard him, he said it again: ``I don't rule out commenting on it at some point in the future.''

Well, that ought to give Penelas a few sleepless nights. Gore is holding the proverbial sword over Penelas' head, allowing the mayor to squirm, and letting him know that some day soon he might talk candidly about his old friend.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/jim_defede/6291255.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp


Democrats accuse Miami-Dade County mayor, Alex Penelas of betrayal for not recounting ballots

http://www.burrelles.com/transcripts/nbc/toda0012.htm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:18 AM
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3. Good for Gore!
I hope the word gets out loud and clear. I think he did get a less than warm reception here in Central Florida the other night.

Interesting situation.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:58 PM
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4. Deutsch looks like the best candidate
He seems like a moderate Democrat, who came from a fairly liberal district (Elaine Bloom is considering running to replace him!).

I heard a rumor that Penelas campaigned for one of the Diaz-Balarts.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:14 AM
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5. Penelas is NOT to be trusted.
Edited on Fri Aug-29-03 10:16 AM by Davis_X_Machina
Friday (12-1) NYT
Miami Mayor's Role a Riddle in Decision to Halt Recount
By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and DEXTER FILKINS

MIAMI, Nov. 30 In the hours before and after Miami-Dade County's hand recount was halted last week, Democrats and Republicans believed that one man had the power to determine its fate: Alex Penelas, the 38-year-old Democratic mayor of Miami-Dade County and a rising star of South Florida politics.

Last Tuesday, as the county's hand recount racked up dozens of new votes for Vice President Al Gore, the mayor had lunch at the Governor's Club in Tallahassee with a Republican state legislator. Later he met with other Republican lawmakers, who are significant to Mr. Penelas because Florida's Legislature will draw new Congressional districts in 2002 and Mr. Penelas, political observers say, has hopes of running for Congress.

The next day, the three members of the Miami-Dade County Canvassing Board, one of whom works for Mr. Penelas, voted to stop the manual recount and canceled plans to review the 10,750 ballots that voting machines said had no presidential preference. The vote came despite the Florida Supreme Court's ruling that recounts could go forward.

Not long afterward, Mark Fabiani, the Gore campaign's communications director, said, Mr. Gore called Mr. Penelas and asked for his help in reversing the board's decision. The mayor promised he would issue a statement calling for the recount to resume, Mr. Fabiani said. But Mr. Penelas's statement said nothing supportive about the recount. Instead, it said that he had "no jurisdiction over that board's decisions."
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:20 AM
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6. More...
here.

Mr. Penelas has got some explaining to do.....
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