First Bush, now Dean.

Dean to Top $10 Million for Quarter: Democratic Candidate Might Forgo Public Financing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50101-2003Aug26.html?

With Dean now considering following Bush’s path to buying the nomination and forego public financing, the democratic primary is changing character.

The PollingReport, White House 2004, General Election page show the Democrat’s increasing chances in next years election. With this improved climate, it becomes increasingly clear that the democrats needs to focus on both the democratic nomination, and even more important on the general election.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

The Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Aug. 21-22, 2003. N=854 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4, asked:
"In general, would you like to see George W. Bush reelected to another term as president, or not?"
8/21-22; yes 44%, no 49%, & don’t know 7%
7/24-25; yes 49%, no 43%, & don’ know 8%

Likewise, the Zogby America Poll. Aug. 16-19, 2003. N=1,019 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.2, asked:
"Do you think President Bush deserves to be reelected or do you think it is time for someone new?"
8/16-19; deserves reelection 45%, someone new 48%, not sure 8%
7/16-17; deserves reelection 46%, someone new 47%, not sure 6%

On the same PollingReport page are polls, from July, matching the individual democrats against Bush, with Kerry performing the best, with Gephardt and Lieberman trailing and Dean being the last of the four (polls from Aug. not posted)

With Bush and Dean now trying to buy the election, Kerry is the Democrats best choice to present a clear choice on the power of money in politics.

to be the first to nail a bullshit anti-Dean post!

You see, Kerry is a REAL liberal who believes in public financing of campaigns and has for 18 years. Why would the corporate media choose someone who would hurt their profits so much?

the idea of Kerry using his wife's money. That was one of the major selling points pushed by Kerry devotees for a long time here. I assume you were appalled and told us so at the time.

The corporate media doesn't WANT Kerry. That's the point. They don't want someone as president who will end their campaign profit margin.

Care to speak to the actual point or are you just going to keep changing them to make YOURS?

and not Dean? And BTW how do you know Dean is considering abandoning matching funds? Did your fillings tell you that or was it the press?

I didn't know that anyone who speaks their mind is now under obligation to provide links to dsc for everything you think and believe IF you are not a Dean supporter.

and that is fine. But don't pretend to give two craps about public financing and just admit that you hate Dean.

And was planning to run under it until a federal judge made it useless by throwing out the spending limits on candidates who did not take public financing, allowing privately financed candidates to outraise those who took public money by 5-1.

So far, the only democrat who is thinking about opting out of public financing is Dean. This despite an earlier pledge to stay within the public financing limits!

I've seen at least 4 articles about this posted on DU.

As for Kerry being the REAL liberal who believes in public financing of campaigns, I'm sure all of the candidates believe in it as long as it is adventageous to their campaign.

This article spells out Kerry's thoughts on it:


http://timesargus.nybor.com/Local/Story/61946.html

"Kerry has not decided whether he will take public financing, spokesman David Wade said.

The Massachusetts senator will make his decision in coming months based on how much he can raise, how much Bush amasses and how crowded the nine-member Democratic field remains as the primaries near, Wade said."

Edited to add needless, bandwidth sapping image.

18 years is a long time to maintain a position. YOU and your post can't change that.

Kerry would never disarm unilaterally against the BFEE.

that's my point, no dem should disarm unilaterally against Bush.

It would be stupid for any candidate to limit their spending against Bush if they determined that they could compete with him in fundraising.

Like I said, I'm sure ALL of the democratic candidates are for public campaign financing, unfortunately in its current state candidates can opt out of the spending limits if they are able to raise more money.

Me and my post aren't trying to change Kerry's stance on his position, I was pointing out that it was smart for Kerry to leave that option open for himself. Just like it will be smart for Dean to opt out if he thinks he can compete with Bush in fundraising.

March 8, 2003

By SHARON THEIMER The Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Howard Dean committed Friday to taking taxpayer dollars to finance his presidential campaign while fellow Democrat John Kerry laid the groundwork to do the same with a letter to donors suggesting they could double their money by helping him qualify.

In fact, only donors’ first $250 gets matched by the government.

Like Dean, Al Sharpton, former Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich are committed to taking public financing and the spending limits that come with it, aides said. They are trying to raise the required amounts – $5,000 from each of 20 states in contributions of $250 or less – to qualify for the public money.

Former Vermont Gov. Dean said he has already met the requirement. He promised to make it an issue in the Democratic primaries if any of his rivals decide to skip public financing, as President Bush did en route to winning the Republican nomination in 2000.

“It will be a huge issue,” Dean said. “I think most Democrats believe in campaign finance reform.”

READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE

moves from the "public financing" issue and then has a quote from Dean on "campaign finance reform."

2 separate issues.

"Former Vermont Gov. Dean said he has already met the requirement. He promised to make it an issue in the Democratic primaries if any of his rivals decide to skip public financing, as President Bush did en route to winning the Republican nomination in 2000."

painted himself into a corner on this one. We'll see what he does.

'splain me how foregoing public financing means he is 'buying' the nomination.

...all those small donations to Dean are public financing....

.

We the people count.....:bounce:

do exactly the same thing, IF he could raise that kind of money (which he can't). Could it be that Kerry isn't as popular with Democrats as Dean? That's a difficult concept for Kerry supporters to grasp, but one that needs grasping nonetheless.

promoting him for the last 7 months. Why would they stop now?

The Zogby poll in NH showing Dean ahead of Kerry 38-17 (and this isn't even a Franklin (Barbara) Pierce college poll.) states: "Dean's support is across the board in both congressional districts, among men and women, democrats, independents and liberals and moderates..."
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=729

So the media is buying off all of these people. Maybe they just are persauded because rather than pacing himself, Dean is actually getting out there and running for president--and exciting alot of democrats who are disillusioned with how the party has responded to Bush.

p.s.
I'm not anti-Kerry--he will have my strong support if he is nominated. But Dean doesn't have any apologizing to do about his record. I'm sure it will tighten but Dean has come a long way from the way he was dismissed in January.

As soon as he started attacking the other Dems, the press LOVED him and pushed him forward.

I didn't say the media was buying off people, what I said was the media has been playing Dean up as the ONLY Dem who goes after Bush, and the ONLY Dem candidate who was against the war, when it is demonstrably not so.

though any exposure seems to be good exposure at this point.

who said that crock. That HELPED Dean secure the supporters on the left who found themselves excusing his centrism over those stupid remarks from other centrists.

in making a successful break through of the winger media machine that has largely bashed, trivialized, mischaracterized and tried to snuff him out is showing, and it is very unbecoming.

Financially speaking!

Evil corporate candidate.

Interesting!!

public financing: $45 million max to use until September then $45 more max to use until November.
Bush financing: $200+ million max to use until September then he goes to public financing at $45 million to use until November.

I think public financing for the general election is $70-75 million.
There are state by state spending limits during the primaries if a candidate takes FEC matching funds, which is why most candidates don't start advertizing before later in the Fall. Dean’s early advertizing in Iowa, NH and now several more states, is a strong indication that he will forego public financing.

But thanks for correcting me on that. I'm pretty sure that $45 million is still correct on the time between now and September.

FEC ANNOUNCES 2000 PRESIDENTIAL SPENDING LIMITS

WASHINGTON -- Presidential candidates who accept public funding may spend $40,536 million on their pre-nomination efforts while each party's nominee will be able to spend $67.56 million during the 2000 general election, according to unofficial calculations released today by the Federal Election Commission.
…
http://www.fec.gov/press/preslimits2000.htm

Quick question...

How many $2000+ donors does Kerry have? 3,479 (second only to Edwards)

Dean? 798

Bush? 12,297

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/donordems.asp

So, you were saying...

Want to see where your campaign contributions to Kerry are going, and where he raises these $2000+ donations?

Sheraton Boston, Boston, MA
$58,318
3/21/2003
Catering

Cipriani 42nd Street LLC, New York, NY
$29,524
3/7/2003
Catering

The Palace Hotel, Long Beach, CA
$27,163
4/4/2003
Catering

Cipriani 42nd Street LLC, New York, NY
$20,000
2/19/2003
Catering

The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY
$17,521
6/10/2003
Catering

Pines Manor, Edison, NJ
$16,585
4/2/2003
Catering

Cipriani 42nd Street LLC, New York, NY
$13,965
3/12/2003
Catering

Hyatt Regency Washington, Washington, DC
$13,782
5/21/2003
Catering

Abbey Event Services, Houston, TX
$13,634
3/4/2003
Catering

The Kitchen, Pasadena, CA
$12,292
3/20/2003
Catering

Gatehouse Restaurant and Catering Company, Provide
$9,991
4/23/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$7,644
3/4/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$7,348
4/9/2003
Catering

Fairmont Copley Plaza, Boston, MA
$7,196
6/16/2003
Catering

Along Came Mary Productions, Los Angeles, CA
$6,849
2/20/2003
Catering

Hyatt Regency Washington, Washington, DC
$6,365
5/21/2003
Catering

Hotel Pontchartrain, Detroit, MI
$6,309
4/23/2003
Catering

Omni Parker House, Boston, MA
$5,209
6/16/2003
Catering

The Palace Hotel, Long Beach, CA
$5,000
4/4/2003
Catering

Bacchus Market & Catering, Mid City West, PA
$4,993
4/3/2003
Catering

The Catered Affair, Hingham, MA
$4,954
1/3/2003
Catering

Hotel Fort Des Moines, Des Moines, IA
$4,884
2/11/2003
Catering

Waterfront Restaurant and Cafe, San Francisco, CA
$4,818
4/4/2003
Catering

The Chicago Firehouse, Chicago, IL
$4,693
4/23/2003
Catering

Thierry's Catering, Miami, FL
$4,500
3/19/2003
Catering

Sheraton Boston, Boston, MA
$4,385
3/2/2003
Catering

Tampa Marriott Waterside Hotel, Tampa, FL
$4,358
4/22/2003
Catering

Regency Hotel New York, New York, NY
$4,288
4/4/2003
Catering

HD Productions, Morgan, NJ
$4,074
4/9/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$4,070
1/8/2003
Catering

Eleven Madison Park, New York, NY
$3,945
6/16/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$3,719
2/19/2003
Catering

Credit Suisse First Boston, New York, NY
$3,575
1/2/2003
Catering

Theater Square Grill, Newark, NJ
$3,465
4/4/2003
Catering

Indiana Market & Catering, New York, NY
$3,409
6/16/2003
Catering

City Girl Caffe & Catering, Cambridge, MA
$3,016
5/16/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$2,925
6/10/2003
Catering

A. Falcone Catering, Cherry Hill, NJ
$2,923
4/9/2003
Catering

Laurie Waters dba Boston Provisions, Inc., Boston,
$2,823
4/21/2003
Catering

Proof of the Pudding, Atlanta, GA
$2,750
4/23/2003
Catering

Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, DC
$2,665
3/2/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$2,647
3/4/2003
Catering

Indiana Market & Catering, New York, NY
$2,579
6/16/2003
Catering

L'Orangerie, Los Angeles, CA
$2,500
6/16/2003
Catering

The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY
$2,486
4/16/2003
Catering

Omni Parker House, Boston, MA
$2,428
5/21/2003
Catering

Decatur House, Washington, DC
$2,425
2/19/2003
Catering

Holiday Inn Des Moines, Des Moines, IA
$2,282
5/21/2003
Catering

Boston Harbor Hotel, Boston, MA
$2,223
4/4/2003
Catering

Detroit Marriott Renaissance Center, Detroit, MI
$2,222
6/3/2003
Catering

Clean Plate Club Catering, Nashville, TN
$2,100
4/22/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$2,058
3/4/2003
Catering

Helen Barbiero, Cold Spring Harbor, NY
$2,000
6/25/2003
Catering

Hilton Hotels San Diego, San Diego, CA
$2,000
3/2/2003
Catering

Regency Hotel New York, New York, NY
$2,000
4/4/2003
Catering

Clean Plate Club Catering, Nashville, TN
$1,957
6/10/2003
Catering

Little Rock Club, Little Rock, AR
$1,894
4/28/2003
Catering

The River Club, Jacksonville, FL
$1,869
5/21/2003
Catering

Governors Club of the Palm Beaches, West Palm Beac
$1,861
4/23/2003
Catering

Scarborough Fair's MarketPlace, Bronxville, NY
$1,858
5/15/2003
Catering

Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, DC
$1,840
4/23/2003
Catering

Decatur House, Washington, DC
$1,825
3/7/2003
Catering

Joan Lukey, Lincoln, MA
$1,803
4/7/2003
Catering

Kathy's Gazebo Cafe, Boca Raton, FL
$1,803
6/16/2003
Catering

Regency New York, New York, NY
$1,793
3/2/2003
Catering

Four Points by Sheraton, Milwaukee, WI
$1,617
6/16/2003
Catering

Aramark Edison Field, Anaheim, CA
$1,473
4/4/2003
Catering

Greenfield Richard, Palm Beach, FL
$1,428
2/19/2003
Catering

Hyatt Regency Washington, Washington, DC
$1,410
3/16/2003
Catering

Mediterranean Manor, Newark, NJ
$1,377
4/17/2003
Catering

Sheraton Hotels Framingham, Framingham, MA
$1,361
4/23/2003
Catering

Perik Michael J., Jamestown, RI
$1,305
2/20/2003
Catering

Olives, Charlestown, MA
$1,275
6/16/2003
Catering

Sheraton Boston, Boston, MA
$1,248
6/16/2003
Catering

The Summit Club, Birmingham, AL
$1,200
4/23/2003
Catering

Regency Club, Los Angeles, CA
$1,078
3/7/2003
Catering

The Palm Restaurant, Washington, DC
$1,078
6/16/2003
Catering

The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY
$1,060
4/9/2003
Catering

Hotel Allegro, Chicago, IL
$1,037
6/16/2003
Catering

Charleston Place, Charleston, SC
$954
2/28/2003
Catering

Aramark Food Services, Lowell, MA
$950
6/4/2003
Catering

Hotel Fort Des Moines, Des Moines, IA
$935
4/28/2003
Catering

The Chicago Firehouse, Chicago, IL
$928
4/4/2003
Catering

The Summit Club, Birmingham, AL
$921
5/9/2003
Catering

Thomas John Gibbons, San Francisco, CA
$919
4/3/2003
Catering

Lyn's Cafe, New York, NY
$910
6/16/2003
Catering

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, New York, NY
$907
2/20/2003
Catering

Daniel P. Barbiero, Cold Spring Harbor, NY
$895
6/25/2003
Catering

Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, DC
$884
5/21/2003
Catering

Pizza King, Inc., Council Bluffs, IA
$859
5/22/2003
Catering

John and Pete's, West Hollywood, CA
$857
3/5/2003
Catering

Cohen Mouli, San Francisco, CA
$845
6/2/2003
Catering

Barber Robert, Charleston, SC
$832
2/26/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$825
4/23/2003
Catering

House of Tricks Restaurant, Tempe, AZ
$806
4/23/2003
Catering

Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, DC
$790
4/23/2003
Catering

Holiday Inn Dubuque, Dubuque, IA
$788
3/2/2003
Catering

The River Club, Jacksonville, FL
$759
6/5/2003
Catering

Doris Italian Market, Boca Raton, FL
$731
6/16/2003
Catering

Daniel P. Barbiero, Cold Spring Harbor, NY
$715
6/25/2003
Catering

Boston Park Plaza, Boston, MA
$707
2/28/2003
Catering

Crepes de France/Marianne Nariusiewicz, Lomita, CA
$700
2/27/2003
Catering

The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY
$677
5/5/2003
Catering

Bankers Club, Miami, FL
$670
6/16/2003
Catering

Acker Merrall & Condit Co, New York, NY
$651
6/16/2003
Catering

Solomont Alan D., Weston, MA
$620
3/7/2003
Catering

Teresa E. Wolff, Sioux City, IA
$610
6/10/2003
Catering

Sheraton Boston, Boston, MA
$594
4/4/2003
Catering

John and Pete's, West Hollywood, CA
$551
4/4/2003
Catering

Jackmont Hospitality, Washington, DC
$550
4/3/2003
Catering

The Premiere Event, Brentwood, TN
$532
5/8/2003
Catering

Minneapolis Club, Minneapolis, MN
$524
5/22/2003
Catering

Bell In Hand Tavern, Boston, MA
$500
4/18/2003
Catering

Spago, Palo Alto, CA
$500
6/16/2003
Catering

The River Club, Jacksonville, FL
$500
4/23/2003
Catering

PMC, Nashville, TN
$486
6/2/2003
Catering

National Catering Network, Sound Bend, IN
$463
2/19/2003
Catering

The Summit Club, Birmingham, AL
$461
5/21/2003
Catering

Flores Mantilla, Marblehead, MA
$455
5/16/2003
Catering

Wolf's Lane Wine, Pelham, NY
$440
5/21/2003
Catering

Charleston Place
$426
3/13/2003
Catering

La Gastronomie, Dubuque, IA
$424
2/19/2003
Catering

Nolan's Inc., Memphis, TN
$416
4/15/2003
Catering

Subway, Washington, DC
$384
4/1/2003
Catering

Millefleur, Santa Monica, CA
$369
4/4/2003
Catering

Blanchard's of Allston, Allston, MA
$365
6/10/2003
Catering

Sue Merriman, Somerville, MA
$345
5/16/2003
Catering

Dubliner Restaurant, Washington, DC
$340
3/14/2003
Catering

Opus One, Oakville, CA
$331
5/5/2003
Catering

Acadia Restaurant, Little Rock, AR
$324
5/29/2003
Catering

Becks Pub and Grille, Cedar Falls, IA
$323
4/22/2003
Catering

Goldwin David, Phoenix, AZ
$321
6/27/2003
Catering

Festive Occasions, Woburn, MA
$304
3/13/2003
Catering

Charleston Place
$301
3/13/2003
Catering

Merengue Restaurant, Boston, MA
$290
6/16/2003
Catering

Who's Cookin'? Catering, Washington, DC
$277
5/9/2003
Catering

Oceanaire Seafood Room, Washington, DC
$261
4/30/2003
Catering

Le Parker Meridien, New York, NY
$256
3/2/2003
Catering

Takeout Taxi, Waltham, MA
$246
4/30/2003
Catering

Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, DC
$244
4/18/2003
Catering

Hyatt Regency Washington, Washington, DC
$243
3/16/2003
Catering

Hi-Vee, Burlington, IA
$228
5/23/2003
Catering

Hi-Vee, Burlington, IA
$221
5/23/2003
Catering

Nantucket Inn, Nantucket, MA
$217
4/18/2003
Catering

Four Seasons Hotels, Washington, DC
$210
3/17/2003
Catering

Souper Salad, Boston, MA
$192
4/4/2003
Catering

The Palm Restaurant, Washington, DC
$187
5/29/2003
Catering

Hotel Fort Des Moines, Des Moines, IA
$172
6/10/2003
Catering

Design Cuisine, Arlington, VA
$155
3/27/2003
Catering

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, New York, NY
$94
3/20/2003
Catering

Clark Emmett, Washington, DC
$90
6/16/2003
Catering

Charleston Place
$41
3/13/2003
Catering

Proof of the Pudding, Atlanta, GA
$35
4/22/2003
Catering

Charleston Place
$7
3/13/2003
Catering

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/expend.asp?id=N00000245&cycle=2004&sort=X

after all, he eats well.

with the mammoth list of caterers? I wasn't aware there was a campaign law restriction on buying food.

Kerry can spend his campaign funds however he wants.

On edit: Don't know what the hell I'm talking about!

Yes, but if I donated to his campaign, I'd be miffed that this was probably his biggest expense. And, the establishments listed reinforce the idea that Kerry is an "elite." I'd rather the money I give go to travel or office staff payroll or advertising - something that shows me he's out doing something, instead of hosting banquests for fatcats.

Dean's catering list for comparison:

Capital City Brewing Co., Washington, DC
$3,840
2/28/2003
Catering

Marvin McGraw, Fairfax Station, VA
$3,120
6/18/2003
Catering

Federal Reserve of Renissance City, Providence, RI
$3,089
3/26/2003
Catering

Silver Spoon Productions, Columbia, SC
$3,000
3/17/2003
Catering

La Bonne Maison, Watertown, MA
$2,639
1/24/2003
Catering

Jeff Baker, Boston, MA
$2,400
1/24/2003
Catering

Hancock Ron, Ft Lauderdale, FL
$1,036
1/12/2003
Catering

Swartz Robert, Ft Lauderdale, FL
$1,036
1/12/2003
Catering

O'Connor Martha, Brattleboro, VT
$889
1/9/2003
Catering

O'Connor Timothy, Brattleboro, VT
$889
1/9/2003
Catering

O'Connor Timothy, Brattleboro, VT
$889
1/9/2003
Catering

Julie Tagen, Silver Springs, MD
$634
1/30/2003
Catering

University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC
$450
5/2/2003
Catering

Corroon Chrisopher, Park City, UT
$311
1/3/2003
Catering

Corroon Peter, Park City, UT
$311
1/3/2003
Catering

Doug Jutte, San Francisco, CA
$309
2/13/2003
Catering

Susan Elliot, Underhill, VT
$265
5/31/2003
Catering

Domino's Pizza, Londonberry, NH
$253
6/26/2003
Catering

MANTRA, Boston, MA
$229
2/12/2003
Catering

Athens Restaurant, Manchester, NH
$220
4/17/2003
Catering

MOD, New York, NY
$200
4/2/2003
Catering

Dominos Pizza, Des Moines, IA
$171
6/25/2003
Catering

Donny's NY Pizza, S. Burlington, VT
$151
4/1/2003
Catering

Ben & Jerry's, Burlington, VT
$70
5/6/2003
Catering

Lancaster House of Pizza, Lancaster, NH
$60
6/26/2003
Catering

Daily Grill 22, Encino, CA
$59
4/29/2003
Catering

Applebees, Dubuque, IA
$53
4/26/2003
Catering

Brady St. Chophouse, Davenport, IA
$38
5/19/2003
Catering

Abigail M. Trebilcock, Burlington, VT
$36
5/22/2003
Catering

Hannaford's, Manchester, NH
$34
6/16/2003
Catering

Hannaford's, Manchester, NH
$34
6/30/2003
Catering

SPAGO, Palo Alto, CA
$34
4/29/2003
Catering

Stephanie Triplett, Burlington, VT
$29
5/31/2003
Catering

Merrimack Restaurant, Manchester, NH
$23
3/21/2003
Catering

N.E.C.I., Essex, VT
$23
2/7/2003
Catering

JD's Tavern, Manchester, NH
$21
2/6/2003
Catering

Northland's Restaurant, Berlin, NH
$21
5/25/2003
Catering

Merrimack Restaurant, Manchester, NH
$20
3/21/2003
Catering

Tupelo Grill, New York, NY
$20
4/4/2003
Catering

One Ninety Nine Club, Atlanta, GA
$247
1/22/2003
Catering Expense

Bread & Chocolate, Washington, DC
$53
1/24/2003
Catering Expense

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/expend.asp?ID=N00025663&cycle=2004&Sort=X&Page=6

... he should expect to be judged on those expenses, too.

how would you feel if you were someone who had donated $50 or $100 to the Kerry campaign, and found out that he'd blown $25,000 some catered luncheon? well, OK, maybe it was money well spent, if it brought in some fatcat donors. right? but then, you just MIGHT start to thinking, that maybe with all those fatcat donors, Kerry doesn't NEED your measly little $50....

Not like Bush. Not like some others who LOVE their buddies in the energy bizness so much they supported Bush policies.

I want a citation for his "supporting Bush's energy policies". If not I want the name of who you mean and then the links.

Let me tell you my energy plan is: First of all, I talk about transmission lines so we can bring, the transmissions networks from the Midwest to the big cities, Chicago and Denver and Dallas and Minneapolis is inadequate. It needs to be upgraded.
http://www.lcv.org/Campaigns/Campaigns.cfm?ID=1619&c=4

From 5/18/03, months ahead of the blackout.

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

then you don't know about Dean.

Go look at the threads about them. There were enough of them.

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(hint) It ain't Dean....

Oh, and a drink and a donation to Dean!

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=166402


Look there to see what blm is trying to spin as an example of the Evil that is Dean.

Don't let me miss out!

due to his finding out that Bush had lied about the sites safety. As to Yucca Mt yes he agreed with that. But you surely aren't contending that is the entirety of Bush's energy policy are you? If you are then there is a word for you and it starts with l. And you said, agrees with Bush on his energy policy. Or did you forget what you actually wrote?

Did you hold the bag while the "Regular Folk" dropped in their $2000 checks? Sounds quite elegant indeed.

While you were there, me and a few of my friends threw in $50 a piece and bought Dean a brown bag lunch (which he ate at his desk).

And it sure is as easy for the GOP machine to throw 50 and 100 bills at Dean. Frank Luntz, Howard Fineman and Richard Galen sure like him.

thread, after thread, after thread, after thread telling us what a wonderful selling point Teresa Heinz' money was for Kerry. That Kerry, and only Kerry, could spend Bush dollar for dollar. I remember when I pointed out that I didn't think he could do that I was called a lying Kerry basher. Now it turns out I was correct and Kerry can't do that. But my real question is to those who bitch about Dean using middle class money to finance his campaign is where was the outrage when Kerry was thinging of using his wife's money? Why was this a wonderful selling point for him but is evidence that Dean is evil incarnate? If the posters who are bitching here about Dean can site even one time they applied that standard to Kerry I will humblely apologize. I doubt I will have to.

Do you have a cite for that?

It was back in DU1 and thus I don't know if I can or not.

I evidently can't serch the old DU forums. I have severe problems on DU2 due to using webtv. If I get access to a computer I will try then if not then you will have to live without the citation. Lord knows I have had to live without them from you on several occasions.

with average contributions of between $50-60 per person?

elected because he was the best man for the job and not just because he buys votes better and lies better than the other candidates.