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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:44 PM
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Tomorrow's coverage of Kerry on MTP will focus on what he said
and not on how he "fluffed" it.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:45 PM
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1. Here's an early example...
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:54 PM
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2. Kerry's description of Chimpy: 'a good man who wants to do good
things'..sounds like Kerry may be aiming for the second slot on Bush's ticket. I'm sure Kerry would have no problem supporting ' a good amn who wants to do good things'..

Bush/Kerry '04...Can't we all get along?


Dean '04...
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:56 PM
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3. Quick question - how long have you been involved in
the political arena?
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 07:12 PM
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28. I've sealed my political records.
Dean '04
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:58 PM
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5. then I would have to be known as
God_bush_n_kerry
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:00 PM
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7. Kerry is going down in flames in Hew Hampshire
"First, there was the news that he had surged to a 21-point lead over Sen. John Kerry in the latest numbers from New Hampshire, site of the first presidential primary, where likely voters in a Zogby Poll prefer Dean by 38 percent to 17 percent for Kerry and just single digits for all other entrants. That’s a stunning reversal from Kerry’s 13-point advantage in February and their dead tie in June. "

http://www.msnbc.com/news/950967.asp?0bl=-0
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:03 PM
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10. It's good Dean's people feel like the race for the nomination is over
Edited on Sun Aug-31-03 04:04 PM by DJcairo
Because in fact it's just beginning and their cockiness is sure to get them in trouble.

Policy is more important than polls, as least to those voters who want to vote for someone meaningful and not just whoever is hip at the moment.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:09 PM
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15. much as you want to deny it
Most dean suporters are there for his policies the hipness just adds to the fun.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:49 PM
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21. Name a policy distinction between Kerry and Dean that you actually support
Can u name one? I mean real policy, not just what someone said about the war. But an actual policy.
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:55 PM
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23. NCLB
Edited on Sun Aug-31-03 04:56 PM by Pavlovs DiOgie
Kerry supports this idiotic law, Dean doesn't.

Edit: Repealing ALL of the stupid tax cuts--Dean is for that, Kerry isn't.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 05:01 PM
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24. NCLB
Is a good start.

I would say deans gun stance works for me over kerrys also As does his stance on the tax cuts and his health care reform.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:12 PM
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17. Did I mention I support
Dennis K?
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:05 PM
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11. Here's more.....
Two-thirds of voters — including two-thirds of Democrats — were unable to name any of the Democratic candidates for president, said the poll, released Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/959775.asp?0cv=CB20
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:07 PM
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13. If we were to believe the poll than Dean is not the frontrunner at all
Give me a break. it's all about the early primaries. We all know that. National polls mean very little when it clearly states that 2/3 of dems can't even name a single candidate.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:01 PM
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:07 PM
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12. After this laundry list, how can he say Bush is "trying to do good things?
I am now experiencing cognitive dissonance.

I was an early Kerry supporter, but his mixture of slam vs. mealy mouth beltway talk has left me disenchanted. I've been leaning toward Dean, but am not entirely sold. I'm one of those now officially "fence-sitting." Not waiting for Clark, either....his little dance on recent shows has left me a bit cynical...
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:42 PM
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19. Kerry is trying to focus his attacks on Bush's policy
Remember, alienating all who voted for Bush is not going ot work. Attacks must be focused on policy and not personality. Although, the quote Russert aired from Kerry several months ago implying Bush is still the same old college frat boy he knew at Yale was funny. Kerry of course didn't take the bait. He will challenge Bush on issues and therefore not have his attacks characterized by Bushies as negative. Same thing with Dean and Dean will strike out and seem overly negative which will work aginst him.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 05:08 PM
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25. You are assuming
That all of the people that voted for bush still think he is just peachy. Dont forget bush didnt get the most votes last time so all of those people that voted for him in the first place werent even the majority. Add to that the fact that many of the people that vted for bush the first time no longer think hes the great guy they thought he was voting for.

Take the remainder that would be offended by someone saying the guy they voted for was full of crap and piss em off any way you want they wont relect bush anyway and arent going to vote dem no matter what you say.

No thanks ill take the candidate that is ready to take the fight right to bush and call him for what he is. The only reason bush has any standing left is because people are walking arround with no clue what he is really doing to our country. Till we Educate them they will keep thinking bush is great!

Syaing bush is a great guy isnt helping to educate them to whats really going on and implies complicity with what he is doing.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 08:59 AM
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29. Have you seen the polls?
Dean '04
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:45 PM
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20. Welcome Gloria
You keep listening to Dean and you will be sold. He is the real deal.;-)
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:11 PM
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16. Kerry doesn't need all
the pundits screaming that "Kerry hates Bush" the way Dean has them screeching "Dean hates Bush". I thought Kerry did a more than excellent job on MTP. If you listened to what he actually said, he made emminent sense. This is an extremely intelligent man.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:49 PM
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22. agreed
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 09:07 AM
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30. Everyone knows that Kerry like/admires Bush and he simply stated the
obvious that in Kerry's world he judges Bush as 'a very likable man...a good man who want to do good things' so if Bush is re-elected I'm sure Kerry will be happy to have ' a likable man ...a good man who wants to do good things.'


Others view Bush as the extension of an evil, murderous, greedy, self-centered monarchy/dynasty that has lied and murdered and killed many in the interest of $$$$$$. Kerry simply admires this 'good man' that he sees. No reason to get alllll excited when Kerry states on MTP his admiration for the Bush dynasty and their goodness and good intentions. Settle down and watch Kerry Spin.

Dean '04...
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:28 AM
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37. Howard Dean's opinion of Bush: "He’s a likable guy"
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 06:19 PM
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27. Kerry loves Bush huh?
Must explain why he's been relentlessly attacking him, and comparing Bush's economic handling to that of Herbert Hoover. Yeah, a real good chum, all right.

Get real, John Kerry, or anybody for that matter, is not going to go on stage and say, "Bush is the devil and a Nazi," so sorry to disappoint you. That's just not sensible politics.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 09:10 AM
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31. His political strategy has tanked him. Bush could use parts of Kerry's
'love fest' for this 'good man who wants to do good things' in his re-election ads.

Vote Bush-'A good man who wants to do good things.'

Dean '04...
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 10:50 AM
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35. Kerry said
"Bush is a likeable guy, trying to do good" My god what a scathing attack. Way to go John.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 09:39 AM
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34. You mean like Dean: Bush was a moderate governor.
Bush was misled by people in his administration?

Hey, George, I'm behind you 100% on Yucca Mt. and Sierra Blanca.

It is easy to secondguess the commander-in-chief in a time of war. I choose not to do that.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:57 PM
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4. I think you are right
And i think its what will kill him.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 03:58 PM
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6. Did you read it?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:07 PM
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14. of course i didnt read it
I saw meet the press. Why the hell would I read a peice telling me what I was suposed to have heard on a show I watched?

It must portray kerry ina positive light. As well it should he did well over all. But he exposed himself badly in a few areas and other articles will not be so kind. In fact they will use Kerry's statements today as an excuse for bush in the future.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 09:13 AM
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32. Vote Bush '04- 'A good man who wants to do good things'...Even the
democrats admire George Bush. Kerry knows the 'goodness' in George Bush.

Dean '04...Not Bush-like...Not Bush lite' Not 'liking' Bush
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valniel Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 09:19 AM
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33. nor understood everything that was said!
I watched, and read, it carefully, and did not hear, or read, anything the Bush campaign would like to use.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:01 PM
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9. Huh? You are going to kill him? What?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 04:24 PM
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18. Kerry is a man of conviction.
You won't see him veering left for the primaries, then right for the general election. Instead he's just articulating what he believes is right.
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dean4america Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 05:29 PM
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26. no
coverage will focus on what he said about Dean over anything substantive (his war diatribe was still waffled). Dean becomes the story out of this appearance, not about Kerry. Dean wins the news cycle if that happens.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-03 11:25 AM
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36. Only events have proven you wrong haven't they?
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