Would you folks vote for Lieberman if he is the nominee?

Would you folks vote for Lieberman if he is the Democratic nominee for president? Yes or No? Please reply to this message with your answer too.

I would vote for any Democrat that gets the nomination, except Sharpton I think.

and then (at the booth) I would sneak one for ol Ralphie for old times sake.

Sharpton is actually a very progressive candidate. Considering Kucinich's record on abortion, he may be the most progressive in the field. And he is one hell of a speaker. He has more zingers than Bob Hope!

Obviously he has some historical issues to all but negate his electability, which is why I would support most anyone in the party over him, but if he actually got the nod, I would support him 104%.

I've been voting for Baucus all these years. When it comes down to a choice between a Repub and a Dem, even the worst Dem is likely to stand head and shoulders above the Repub.

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HILTLER before Lieberman?

Leaving out the obvious racial implications of that matchup... are you serious??

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I'd vote Green. And I've voted Democratic in seven straight presidential elections!

But I'd seriously have to reconsider my committment to the Democratic Party.

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Of course I would!

:thumbsdown: Lieberman has shown that he enjoys trashing the Democratic agenda too much to win my support as the nominee. Four years ago, interestingly enough, I might of given a different answer.

Four months ago, I was definitely giving a different answer. Lieberman's gone beyond redemption in my book.

I would go with a protest vote for a third party candidate...probably the Green nominee.

anyone who would not vote for holy joe doesn't give two shits about the environment. out of all the candidates, he has one of the best records. if for no other reason (and i believe there are many other reasons), you should vote for him solely based on his relentless support for and defense of the environment. the environment is one of the few issues (if not the only) that cannot be corrected later on. usually, once the damage is done, its done. affirmative action can be repealed now, then reinstituted. same with gun control. the environment is really the only salient issue over the long term. kudos to joe for his support.

but I will gladly debate your undemocratic ass as well.

I don't need a lecture on how to vote. You can tell me why you vote a certain way, and I will tell you why I vote a certain way.

I have become sick and enraged at cowards like Lieberman who attack modest, barebones healthcare proposals as "big-spending government liberalism."

First, it is the type of insane use of terms that has brought our country to the low-point it is at today. Also, if he hates liberalism so much, why should I even vote for him? The old saying says don't bite the hand that feeds you, and yet Lieberman does this routinely to liberals who have backed him in the past.

The specifics of the other candidates are better than what he has put up, which are opposition and corporate welfare rewarding the DLC underwriters. And those running the DLC PR effort are doing a great job of shredding our party apart, at a time when need to be united behind our most valued principals. National healthcare, environmental protection, repealing shrub's taxcuts, peace in the middle-east, and allowing our President to be elected by the votes of all the nation's people...not just through the exclusive majorities of each state.

When Lieberman learns to respect democracy, I will respect Lieberman.

I'll be very happy if Dean wins the nomination, and Lieberman would be the toughest Dem for me to get behind, but I'll vote for whomever gets the nomination.

There is no way I would vote for Lieberman. Frankly I would prefer Bush to win, at least then the Republicans would be blamed for everything that goes wrong with the rightward swing, we don't need a Democrat doing it for us (and maybe then people would vote in a Democratic congress in subsequent years due to this).

How far right does the Democratic party have to swing before you stop voting for it? If Tom Daschle was nominated for Democratic presidential candidate, would you vote for him? How about Dick Armey? Joe "DLC" Lieberman lays out hsi economic vision on his web page - http://lieberman.senate.gov/econ.cfm . Actually, it seems that it has been cleaned up and made more friendly to people voting in a Democratic primary than it used to be - but it's still pretty bad. Lieberman talks a lot about how to solve (implicitly, the owners of ) big businesses "problems" and his efforts in that respect, and very little about the problems of people who work for a living.

Clinton was a DLC Democrat, although not as bad as Lieberman...and Carville was a loyal aide...but at least Carville gets ticked off sometimes and has some backbone and some underlying impetus for being a Democrat, he's not a spineless "liberal" like so many "liberal" TV talking heads/punching bags. He was on TV and talking about the inheritance tax and he said "Dag nab it, if the Democrats aren't against doing away for inheritance tax for people inheriting over $2 million, what do we stand for?" What does the Democratic party stand for if Lieberman wins the nomination?

I can tell you right off the bat that the Democratic base will NOT be motivated to go out and vote for him in the election, as is the trend we will have very little motivation to go...labor and blacks are supposed to be two solid Democratic bases, can you imagine a working class African American or rank-and-file worker active in his union feeling motivated to go out and vote for some guy who has very, if any of, their interests at heart? Especially with a Green candidate who is speaking to those interests? They'll either not vote (most likely), or vote Green...or vote Democrat in low enough numbers for Lieberman to lose. Also, he's Jewish! Al Smith was practically lynched in 1928 when running for president, Kennedy had to deal with a lot of Catholic stuff that people nowadays forget about. And who the hell will be motivated to vote for him? If Wellstone was alive and running for president I'd definitely be proud for once to check the Democratic column, but this is a Jewish guy who turns progressives off in a big way...it's a disaster in the making. I would prefer Bush win, at least the blame for everything going wrong for a rightward turn would be blamed on a Republican, not a Democrat.

Not a chance.

I am Jewish and would not vote for LIEberman. He is the essence of a DLC Democrat. I believe he serves on the board of Empower America (started by some pug candidate in the late 80s early 90s). He also serves on some board with Lynn Cheney. This board supports censorship of academics deemed too far outside the mainstream.
I am so tired of LIEberman using his orthodox Judaism as why we should vote for him. He is nothing but a parody. Oh gee I eat bagles. I eat lox.
People's willingness to support a conservative DLC Dem such as LIEberman because he is not Bush is what enables the Dems to move the party further to the right. As long as the Dems know that those who are to the left of Clinton (which includes a lot of people given that he was a founder of the DLC) will not abandon the party they will continue to field such candidates. That is the difference between the pug base and the Dem base. The pugs know better than to nominate someone who is moderate. The power of the Christian right to get out the vote and work the polls is something the pug leadership dare not take for granted.

MJ
A worker who is tired of being taken for granted.

LIEberquotes:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/203.html
"Lieberman argues the U.S. must be unflinching in our determination to target Iraq as part of the war against terrorism. Lieberman wants to push Bush into declaring it's U.S. policy to remove Saddam Hussein.
He is not just a thorn in our sides, he is a threat to American lives, he said between fundraisers in New Hampshire earlier this month. If we give him a chance and don't defeat him, he will truly attack us before long. "

http://slate.msn.com/id/2076679/
Kerry has a war record. Edwards and Gephardt support Bush's hard line against Iraq. But none of them can match Lieberman's hawkish record. He voted for the Persian Gulf War and spearheaded congressional support for the Iraqi resistance. Like Bush, he uses the E-word: "We must never shrink from using American power to defend our ideals against evil in a time of war."

Among Democrats, Lieberman is the closest thing to a cultural conservative. He extols "family and faith and responsibility." "I have taken on the entertainment industry for peddling sex and violence to our children—and spoken up for parents who feel they are in competition with the popular culture to raise their children."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/lieberman.announce/
He co-sponsored the Senate resolution authorizing President Bush to use military action to disarm Iraq; supports the limited, experimental use of vouchers to provide public funds for private school tuition; and touts a pro-business voting record.

"I intend to talk straight to the American people and to show them that I'm a different kind of Democrat," he said. "I will not hesitate to tell my friends when I think they're wrong and to tell my opponents when I think they're right."



http://www.inmagla.com/political/political.htm
He noted that he voted for the Defense of Marriage Act (which President Clinton signed) but favors a bill giving benefits to domestic partners of federal employees. He also acknowledged a number of remaining problems with the bill, such as extending Social Security survivor benefits to the partner.

"Marriage has a separate meaning" which society gives a "unique weight to" in the traditional, cultural and religious sense, Lieberman said. DOMA defines marriage as between a man and a woman, he explained, though each state can chose its own definition. "And that's where I am," he said.

"The civil union law in Vermont is probably the most direct point at which those two paths meet. I've said for now that I respect the right of Vermont" to enact a civil union law, though it was under "unique circumstances." But he is looking for other ways, other laws to overcome some "obvious inequities" that exist in non-marriage partnerships, such as visiting a partner who's ill.

"I'm endorsing and respecting the right of a state to adopt a civil union law. I'm really working to reconcile that in my own my mind and heart with my beliefs that are expressed in the Defense of Marriage Act. And that's the point at which I'd be happy to continue the discussion," he said.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/September11Coalition/message/359
The Nation.]

Dear Dr. Cheney and Senator Lieberman:

On November 11, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA), an
organization you co-founded in 1995, issued a report that listed the
names of academics along with 117 statements they made, in public
forums or in classes, that questioned aspects of the Administration's
war on terrorism. Concluding that "College and university faculty have
been the weak link in America's response to the attack," the report
asked alumni to bring their (presumed) displeasure about these views to
the attention of university administrations. While ACTA's report does
not have the cachet of President Nixon's "Enemies List," nor the
intimidating force (yet?) of Senator Joseph McCarthy's too-numerous-
to-list lists, as an American historian I am naturally interested in
this project, and I have decided to offer your organization my full
cooperation.

Why are you singling out Lieberman for his war vote when Kerry, Edwards, and Gephardt all voted for the President's resolution? Also, the first Gulf War was a just war. Attacking Lieberman for that was unfair.

As for the work with Cheney that issue has been debunked on several occasions. Lieberman resigned from the group in question when he found out what they were doing. I wonder why you didn't mention that at all.

As for Lieberman and gay rights he receives good scores from the Human Rights Campaign.

2002 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Source: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0141103#Civil+Rights



In the 105th Congress Lieberman got an 83% rating from HRC.

Source: http://www.hrc.org/congress/105/senatev.pdf

In the 104th Congress Lieberman got an 89% from HRC.

Source: http://www.hrc.org/congress/104/senatev.pdf

In the 103rd Congress Lieberman got an 78% from HRC:

Source: http://www.hrc.org/congress/103/senatev.pdf

Also a visit to HRC's web site shows that Lieberman is listed as a cosponsor for ENDA:

http://capwiz.com/hrc/issues/bills/?bill=46909&cs_party=all&cs_status=C&cs_state=ALL

So you are being dishonest in portraying him as anti-gay. The record clearly contradicts you. You bring up the issue of DOMA--even Wellstone of MN voted for that. Why aren't you attacking Wellstone for that vote?

Clearly you are being less than honest about Lieberman. I wonder why I even bothered to write this long post and research this information because the Liberman haters will make the same dishonest assertions again and again.

It really doesn't matter, cuz he's not going to win the nomination. By the way, do you live in Syracuse, NY? I live in that area.

then what is the point? I'm unsure whether I'd vote for him or not. If I did, the only reason would be because he's not GWB, not because I have any desire to see him leading the country--he's absolutely visionless. Plus, we already have enough sanctimony and authoritarianism from Dubya

Right there behind Kerry. Than again, that makes Kerry my second least-favorite Jew in the race. One way or another, conspiracy nuts can more credibily say the Jews control everything. Jews and Skull & Bones in one shot? It'll be a field day in 2004 for nutballs and anti-Semites everywhere!

And it shows why the Democratic Party is rapidly becomming the minority party.

My view is I will fight hard to see to it that the people I support (Kerry, Edwards) get nominated, but if the decision is made to go with another candidate to go against Bush then Im in 100%.

For better or worse right now we have only 2 viable parties to vote for. If getting votes actually got the Green Party and their issues and national exposure I'd vote for them, but they are just a sideshow no one really cares about.

To that end, Ill vote for the Democrat against a right-wing corporate fascist anyday of the week.

However, if Lincoln Chafee got the Repuke nomination versus Joe L, then I'd vote Chafee.

Yeah, but what're you going to do about the left-wing corporate fascists?

Will never happen in a million years.

Guarantee: Lieberman will not be the Dem nominee.

Only 3 candidates in the field have a chance: JE, HD, and JK.