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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:24 PM
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John Kerry breaks $960,000 barrier! (NT)
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:34 PM
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2. Kerry has many more sources for funds than the Dean
camp - let's check it out next week.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:36 PM
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4. Dean's money has been raised from over 100k small contributors
explain how Kerry has more sources for funds than that
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:39 PM
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5. Kerry moved a shitload of money over from his Senate
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 09:48 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
warchest to his Presidential warchest earlier this year. Is that what you mean by "many more sources?"


Edit- $2.7 million if I'm not mistaken. http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/summary.asp?ID=N00000245
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:05 PM
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8. That statement is ridiculous on it's face

And so we begin the fourth quarter, rounding the bend toward the home stretch in Iowa, New Hampshire and beyond...

What you accomplished yesterday-- how you made last month the September to Remember-- is not going unnoticed. Julia Malone writes for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

Howard Dean's energized, Internet-driven campaign left his competitors further in the dust Tuesday as the race for cash in the Democratic presidential race ended its third quarter.

Malone does the usual comparison to Bush's money-bagging across the country yesterday, hands out and government open to the special interests, but the import of what you have done comes through:

Despite the president's huge lead, Dean's fund-raising stood out because it continued to escalate. His overall fund-raising is expected to reach $25 million this year....

Michael J. Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute and a political scientist at the State University of New York at Albany, said the results so far show that only Dean has established himself as a serious candidate who can broaden his base.


Just to recap: You exceeded our goal of $5 million in ten days, raising $5.1 million in the last ten days of the September to Remember to reach nearly $14.8 million for the quarter, which shattered President Clinton's $10.3 million record in 1995. Trippi posted late last night, explaining what it all means.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001722.html

Final 2nd Quarter People-Powered Howard Report: $7.6 Million Raised
Howard Dean today announced that 73,226 Americans joined together to raise over $7.6 million for the Dean for America campaign in the second filing quarter which ended on June 30. A total of 83,041 individuals have contributed to the campaign overall.

"This campaign is about bringing people back into a political process that for too long has been dominated by Washington insiders out of touch with real Americans,” said Dean. “Behind each of these contributions are the stories of Americans who want to take their country back, and they are making a huge difference."

Fundraising Facts:
  • Of the 83,041 donors overall, only 891 have maxed out, enabling over 82,000 of them to continue to contribute funds to the campaign in the future.
  • The average donation to the campaign was $88.11, demonstrating that Americans are participating directly in their democracy, giving what they can to reclaim their government.
  • Over 62,000 donors gave for the first time to Dean for America this quarter, demonstrating the momentum and growth of the campaign.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000691.html

Dean Raises $7.5 Million in Second Quarter (rough report)
In the second quarter ending yesterday, 59,000 Americans donated an average of $112 to help boost Governor Howard Dean to the top of the second quarter fundraisers with a total of $7.5 million raised.

Unlike the small, exclusive multi-million dollar fundraisers held in major cities by President Bush over the last week, the Dean campaign saw its numbers surge based on small donations over the Internet—with nearly $3 million raised online in the last week alone. In the second quarter, 45,030 people donated online a total of 51,474 times. The average donation online was $74.14.

“When we said last week during the governor’s announcement that ‘You have the power,’ we had no idea just how much power our supporters had,” said Campaign Manager Joe Trippi. “They are people participating directly in their democracy, and doing whatever they can to help us take our country back—giving $20, $30, or $50. This is People-Powered Howard.”

Second quarter fundraising by the numbers:

Total raised in second quarter: $7,500,000 Total donors (2003 to date): 70,000
Average contribution: $112

First time donors in second quarter: 48,000

Levels of Internet Giving:
Less than $50: 18,422
$50 -- 99: 11,579
$100 -- $249: 11,436
$250 -- $499: 2,379
$500 -- $1,000: 368
$1,000 and up: 129

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000584.html
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:31 PM
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10. By midnight yesterday
Kerry had exceeded his online goal of one million.

Dean did not reach his goal of 15 million.

The Kerry campign is being very quiet about the totals they have raised.

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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:26 PM
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16. OK, Pete, Molly, and Nick...
Let's lock these comments in for Kerry...and see what in fact does happen in the totals that are revealed for 3rd quarter...

Let's look at both the total amount and the average size of donation (a good indication of whether it's really grassroots support)

Most press is indicating they expect Dean's take to be 2-3 times the amount of any other candidate...close second is not even applicable.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:28 PM
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17. Kerry's come from Democrats...
Dean has plenty of GOP donors. And not just the ones who believe in his centrist record.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:37 PM
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19. Source? Link? Or Attack Nonsense?
Particularly about the comment..."And not just the ones who believe in his centrist record"

And proof Kerry receives no money from Republicans? After all, plenty of individuals with money give both ways.

Give us the proof...or this is pure attack nonsense.

I just want to see how accurate the Kerry supporters really are in knowing who is leading in fundraising...we will watch the numbers.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:44 PM
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21. Dean's leading in fundraising.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 03:48 PM by blm
Who is saying he isn't? Kerry will have more support coming in. He'll have issue ads that favor his candidacy from interest groups and unions, as well. There are other factors besides campaign cash that go into overall support. Hell, the Firefighters JUST hit the streets on Monday. This race is wide open.

There have been several articles posted here about Republicans sending money to Dean. Some were legit centrist Republicans, and others were up to mischief.

Here's the most recent one:

-snip--
Hilary Cleveland of New London, wife of the late Congressman James Cleveland, and a prominent campaigner for both President Bushes, is helping organize a Republicans for Dean movement.
Dean announced the names of 40 Republicans who will serve on a steering committee. Cleveland says she’s been a lifelong Republican, but will switch her registration to independent so she can vote for Dean in the presidential primary.
Cleveland was the New London co-chair for George W. Bush’s 2000 campaign and was the state finance chair Bush’s father in 1980.
--snip--
Another member of the committee, Paul Staulcup of Manchester, said he will switch his affiliation from Republican to Democrat for the primary but isn’t sure he’ll remain a Democrat.
--snip--
"He’s got a strong appeal," said Rep. Jane Kelley from Hampton, who became an independent to vote for Dean. "He’s peppery; he’s gutsy; he tells it like it is," she said.
Originally a Democrat, Kelley switched her affiliation to the Republicans three years ago and says she’ll return to the Republican fold when the primary is over.

http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/September2003/September_26/News/reg_pol_0926b.asp
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:54 PM
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22. Still no support for your statement....
None of these indicate they are sending money...none indicate they are "up to mischief"

There is a long history of multiple states in this country (including my home state of Illinois) where you can vote in whichever primary you choose. Including Democrats switching to vote for McCain...were they all "up to mischief"?

Wouldn't these people be likely to vote for Dean if he is the nominee ultimately and help us win???

Where is Kerry's support from independents and centrist Republicans? That seems a possible weakness to me if he can't attract them. Liberals do not elect presidents alone and by accusing those from outside who want to join as being "up to mishief."

Why not ask Senator Kerry what he thinks about Republicans and Independents voting and working for Democrats - give us his statment on that. I trust he would see it as a positive for the Democratic Party and a strike against Bush.

A switch in parties is a good thing - I think Senator Kerry would see James Jeffords abandonment of the Republican Party as a good thing - isn't it??

I welcome Hilary Cleveland to the fold!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:59 PM
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23. Some of them said they would switch BACK to Republican.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 04:04 PM by blm
And I said this was the most recent article. Are you trying to say that you NEVER saw any articles about GOP activists sending Dean money?

Here's ONE from google.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/forums/upload/showthread.php?threadid=15540


Should Republicans Help Nominate Howard Dean?

Exclusive commentary by CK Rairden


Aug 6, 2003

Republicans are already voting with their wallets for Howard Dean, logging on to Dean’’s official Web Site and donating various sums of cash to the left wing candidate’’s primary campaign. They want Dean to win the Democrat primary. The real question now emerges. Will rank and file Republicans cross over and vote in the Democrat Primary elections to help get Dean the nomination?

Howard Dean is a dream candidate for two particular sides of the body politic. First, the angry disgruntled liberal wing that has taken over the Democrat Party and second Americans that want to see President George W. Bush re-elected.

Howard Dean is even more to Bush advisor Karl Rove. Dean is a Karl Rove wet dream. He is an anti-war liberal in a time when soccer moms have become security conscious. Dean has also promised to raise taxes if elected president. These are two losing platforms that have a McGovernesque train wreck written all over it. The GOP now has to consider whether they will now take an even more active role in securing the nomination for Howard Dean.

Should they register as Democrats where necessary, vote for Dean in the primary and help get him the Democrat nomination?

>>>>>>>
Now comes the million-dollar question. With Dean riding so high so early, and some of his fellow liberals waiting to ambush him can he hang on? This is where the GOP can step in as a wild card to assure that he does. Republicans would love nothing more than to see Dean win the nomination. The GOP now has to consider advising its members to keep the money rolling towards not only President Bush, but candidate Dean.

The next obvious step is for Republicans to register as Democrats where necessary and vote in the Democrat primary for the GOP dream opposition candidate. Is the GOP confident enough that Dean’’s bandwagon will drive off the cliff in the 2004 general election that they are willing to take the necessary step to keep Dean’’s momentum going? The answer is clear.

Rank and file Republicans should crash the Democrats 2004 primary election and help elect the GOP dream opposition candidate, Howard Dean and let the landslide re-election of President George W. Bush begin.

CK Rairden is a political columnist for The Platte County Landmark and a freelance writer.

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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:12 PM
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24. Speculation here...
From a political columnist...

And yes I have read and seen plenty of Republicans contributing to Dean who do believe in his centrist ideals. The host of our local Meetup is one.

I have seen no proof of a Rovian conspiracy to nominate Howard Dean.

You have not shown it.

You have shown speculation.


By the way, do you support this article??? It says Dean is a Karl Rove "wet dream" because of his liberal ideals...ummm...I thought a mantra of Kerry supporters is he's not a true liberal.

If it's negative to Dean...you'll pick and choose any speculation in that direction...give us proof. I have proof for why I don't like Kerry - you're presenting speculation as scare tactics. A Rovian tactic if I've ever seen one.

Many Democrats from Bill Clinton to Dennis Kucinich to Howard Dean all continue to speak the language of hope...that is the way to win.

You continue to spread Bush and Rovian style fear...I just hope Kerry does not truly think like you.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:08 PM
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26. good points made but if Kucinich speaks the language of hope
Why am I constantly told he doesnt have a chance? It makes me confused and aggrevated.
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:03 PM
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31. Because,
it takes a great deal more than hope to win an election, for better or worse.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:48 PM
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29. Right wing hack using reverse psychology.
Why would a right wing hack backing Bush want to publicize this supposed "crafty strategy" so early in the race?

Why not keep it a secret?

And what evidence does he have that this is true other than his own feverish dreams?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:54 PM
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30. CK Rairden on John Kerry
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_6249.shtml

JOHN KERRY CONTINUING TO CHANGE ON EVERY ISSUE. Once considered a clear front runner, the snobbish John F(rench) Kerry now can’t decide if he supported the war, should have supported the war, or was against the war with Iraq. The trend is developing on all issues now as Kerry tries to reinvent himself, ala Al Gore. The only thing Kerry is sure about is that he was in the Vietnam War. Give him two minutes into any interview, he’ll tell you.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_5504.shtml

Kerry dreams of being Kennedyesque. He has a very wealthy wife, is able to raise money and has a fraction of name recognition. He has a very good shot in the democratic primary. He does come across as sleazy at times, and will say anything to anyone to get elected. Oh and if you listen to him for over fifteen seconds he will tell you that he served in Vietnam. If he pulls off the primary however, he could become Dukakisesque in the general election.


More CK for Repuke loving blm:

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/search.cgi?keyword=by%20CK%20Rairden&start=1&template=search%2Fsearch_results.html&perpage=10
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:38 PM
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20. I get so tired of "factual" opinions from Kerry supporters...
And hints of conspiracy with no support...

Sheesh
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:13 PM
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32. There is support...
The support is in the history of the underhanded nature of the GOP in the election cycle. Republican funding of Nader and other Green party candidates to draw off some of the Democratic vote, for example. Let's not get into support or no support... because as it stands right now there's not enough concrete support to support a damn thing with regards to the primaries or the general election. Everything at this point is speculation, I for one am merely speculating that there is a strong possibility that Republicans have been funding the Dean campaign because they believe Dean will be a pushover in the general election. I happen to agree with that speculation. The point is that Dean's fundraising may not be all it seems. I'm not saying that that is definitely the case, but it's a possibility that I am strongly willing to consider.

Peepers
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:40 AM
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33. Provide your links...
That's all I ask, otherwise it's attack rumor-mongering.

I refuse to spread rumor about John Kerry or any other candidate...and ask for the same respect for my candidate.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:44 PM
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28. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 09:44 PM by stickdog
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

As a tabler for Dean I've encountered several hundred Republicans who have told me that Bush would inevitably trounce Dean in a landslide.

I invariably reply, "Well then, surely $20 for Dean is not too much to ask to help ensure that Bush gets reelected in a rout."

So far, not a single one of them has taken me up on my offer to accept a cash donation for Dean to help ensure he wins the nomination to Bush's supposed benefit.

I wonder why.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:36 PM
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3. thats pretty obvious what he implied
I dont care about who raised how much money, I care about who appeals to my heart, and yes call me idealistic all the names in the book but I still believe in what I believe.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:44 PM
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6. Right on
If money was all that mattered, then Bush is twice the candidate any of the Dems are. I truly respect at the marvel of the Dean machine, but using money as a card on why your candidate's better is not always accurate.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:50 PM
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7. sure thing
I know its not corporate money guys but I dont believe the green as me and my grandfather call it should be the basis of the election and or primary. I heard yesterday that Bush raised 50 million, thats sickly gross and yes I know thats corporate money. I am not a fool but I see what the candiate is all about, and I prefer what my guy is about above all, hence my support for him. Its all about green my grandfather tells me and I think hes right unfortunely.
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:09 PM
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9. I agree that money
is not a measure of a candidate's worth, but I think that misses the larger point about Dean's donor base. It's really about participatory democracy, giving people a sense that they're part of something.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:10 PM
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13. I dont deny it one bit
its good, I am glad you guys got your goal but so did we. Now it wasnt nearly as much. Thats only my point. I dont think money should be a big factor in choosing your candiate nor should that candiate's current popularity. I didnt deny that at all, I just think MONEY isnt what it should be about. Pardon me I am just not in the school where money is your worth.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:07 PM
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12. Me, too, and Dennis exceeded his $1.5 million goal
The message, the candidate, the enthusiasm, all blend together in Dennis Kucinich.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:10 PM
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14. yep
But you wont read about that in any major newspaper.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:17 PM
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15. At this stage in the campaign ...
... the most accurate measure of enthusiasm is money raised. That's why it matters.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:30 PM
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18. Dennis cares, though...
I got his appeals for cash that were similar to the ones sent out by the Dean camp...they were based in giving money based on believing in the candidate.

Congrats to Dennis' campaign for breaking its goal.

The Dean campaign reset its goal twice --

The first goal was Clinton's $10.3 million.

The second goal was $5 million in the last 2 days.

The final goal was $15 million - it was the only one that was not reached.

Clinton's record was smashed. Over $5 million was raised in 10 days, and over 450,000 have signed up to express interest in the campaign.

No way to spin this as anything less than a great quarter for the Dean campaign...and hopefully some lessons to be learned for all Democratic candidates in the future.

We can raise money! We can generate enthusiasm! We can get the attention of the press! And we can have a hell of a lot of fun, too!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:05 PM
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25. I bet he does
Thank you, I am happy too. I just dont always think money is a reflection of whos the best is all. I am happy for both. Look I said what I said last night because I felt it and I felt that was an implication that if you dont have money you aint shit or something like that. I dont know what Stick's intentions were but just because Kerry or Kucinich didnt raise as much money as your campaign doesnt make them no chance or embarassments. I am sorry I said what I said but in reality I dont like the idea of money being the determing factor. Of course he likes it but I bet he doesnt want money to become the focus of his campaign, he wants the issues at hand.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:43 AM
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34. Which is why I support Dean...
And I admire your commitment to Dennis, John
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:49 PM
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11. The whole discussion of fund-raising is just horse-race politics.
Of course campaigns need money and lots of it. Just like the latest polls, fundraising figures are an interesting story -- but not a reason to support one candidate over another. They do give an idea of how viable a candidate may be -- but thank heavens the candidate with the most cash doesn't always win or we Dems might as well just stay home...
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:27 PM
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27. I'm glad that Kerry is finally appealing to the "little people."
I was beginning to worry because I had only read about many of his $2000 per plate fundraisers. Welcome back to the real world, Kerry. Stay a while. You'll like it here.
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