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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:07 PM
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Kerry needs to stop...
Flying his own airplane around to campaign stops.

Seriously. (This isn't a "tweak the kerry folks" post.)

I was reading an article about JK, and it was talking about him flying to a campaign stop in his own light twin engined airplane. I have no doubt that Kerry is an experienced and competent pilot, (he's also a glider pilot, very cool...), but flying oneself between campaign stops is not a good idea.

The statistics are not good for businesspeople/pilots who sometimes feel the need to push on when they are, or the weather is marginal. The fatality rate in light twins after an engine failure are very high.

What do you Kerry supporters think about this?

I'm serious here...this is not a negative Kerry thing. He should stick to professional pilots, and the Heinz corporate jet or jet charters for campaigning.

I know he loves to fly, as do I, but I'd sure like to see him limit it to pleasure trips when there is no "pressure" to get there.

Any pilots here have an opinion?



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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:10 PM
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1. I'm not a pilot, or a Kerry suppoerter per se…
but I am in total agreement with you.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:10 PM
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2. I support Kerry
and I agree too.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:26 PM
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5. Does he do that? For shame!
Seriously, if he does, that's a bad no-no.

he needs to set an example.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:24 PM
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4. But...
if he used the Heinz private jet how soon would it be before a regular Kerry basher posted something about it?
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:27 PM
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6. If he uses the Heinz corporate jet,
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 09:05 PM by sfecap
...and he reimburses the company for the cost of his travel, there is nothing wrong with that. Free transportation would be illegal.

Edit: Kerry also has a private jet that they keep in a charter company they own, so he may not use the Heinz jet all that much. My mistake.

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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:41 PM
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8. I'm confused. Does he fly his own plane, or does he use the Heinz
plane all the time ?

Maybe the article about him flying his own plane to campaign stops wasn't meant to convey that he did it a lot. I don't have a clue what he does to be frank with you.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:49 PM
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9. The way it sounded...
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 09:02 PM by sfecap
...was that he uses his plane, and also charters aircraft. I don't think they use the Heinz airplane all that much for campaign trips. The family has a personal jet that they own, it's in a charter company, so he may be using that plane for longer trips. But he has his own light twin, and the article was about him flying it solo, coming home from a campaign stop after a long day.

I wish I could find the article on the 'net, but I don't remember what magazine it was in...
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:26 PM
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15. Thanks for changing your subject line in #6
so that my answer sounds like I'm asking a silly question.

Oh well, them's the breaks.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:32 PM
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18. You weren't asking a silly question,
and I was incorrect which is why I changed it.

Geez.
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:27 PM
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7. my uncle has a plane...
...and you can be damn sure he'd fly it to campaign stops... if he campaigned. but he's an ass so i don't want to think of him running for --->ANY<--- office.

anyway, i'm sure he's instrument rated so i bet it's not a problem. and he probably has a bitchin' crew working on his ride.

what plane does he have?
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:51 PM
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11. I don't know. Light twin.
They also have a personal jet, that's in a charter comany that they own. I think he uses that one for long trips.

I'm sure he's instrument rated, but keeping current is the most important thing...
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:57 PM
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13. i wouldn't worry about the senator
my uncle is a jackass but he's a top-notch pilot... he learned privately; normally flies a baron. we even went up in his yak and did barrel rolls. thing's like over 50 years old... russian wwii trainer plane. i've flown all over the place with him. i don't think kerry flying himself is a problem.

to err on the side of caution i suppose it's always better to trust someone else, but there are tons of accidents that way too. personally if i could i'd rather be in control. but i'm a control freak ;-D
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:07 PM
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14. A Baron is a nice airplane.
Flew one years ago for a guy.

Lot's of fun...
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:28 PM
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16. lots of fun if you aren't with my uncle
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 09:29 PM by Pez
:evilgrin:

he's a bigot repuke.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 09:30 PM
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17. LOL.
n/t
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:50 PM
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10. Perhaps he should stop only because
that seems like a good way to be "Wellstoned"
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 08:52 PM
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12. The Wellstone accident was an accident.
A terrible, unfortunate accident.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 05:51 PM
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28. Yes, it was.
Horrible, sad, tragic, all those things... but an accident, nonetheless.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 10:33 PM
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19. i don't like those small planes
not sure what he flies, but i don't like those small planes either and would rather have him not do it either.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:17 AM
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20. He should live his life
When all is said and done, you have to be happy with the life you lead. Kerry is the kind of person who relaxes by being active, flying seems to be one of those activities for him. I can't imagine him stopping anything he enjoys doing or needs to do during this campaign. It's just not his nature. It's one of the best things about him, to me.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:46 AM
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24. True.
Kerry's active lifestyle is one thing I do like about him.

He's just putting himself in a bad situation flying alone after a long day on the trail. Heck, this could have been an isolated thing, and the article was a bit of a puff piece. Maybe the writer just thought it showed an interesting take on him.

I like that he's a pilot. I have that in common with him.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:22 AM
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21. WTF!! I may not support him over Dean in this presidential election
But I sure as heck want him alive and in politics helping us all for as long as possible. He's easily one of the best and most influential elected Democrats in the country.

I seriously wish he'd play it more safely.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:38 AM
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22. You're right. Anyone Bush is afraid of seems to die prematurely
Personally I think all the candidates should be flying commercial. Dean's probably safe. Karl Rove likes him.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:43 AM
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23. You just had to come in here and piss on this, didn't you?
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 12:46 AM by sfecap
"Dean's probably safe. Karl Rove likes him."


Never fails.
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 04:42 PM
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26. I'm pretty sure
Rove would be happy to take out ANYONE who speaks out against the Administration. If Dean has done one thing, it's been to really bring up a lot of the faults of the Administration.

Peepers
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:59 AM
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25. There is no way he flys "alone"
at least not as a rule. But I appreciate the concern and supportive attitude from the non Kerry supporters here.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 05:02 PM
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27. Never alone. He always has a few hookers aboard!
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 05:03 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
:evilgrin:


Seriously, I think it's pretty cool that he flies, whether he's alone or not.
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