It's October 17, 2004-What's the mood at DU?

Only three weeks to go in the nastiest, most vile presidential campaign ever. The networks have been whoring for Bush 24/7, but _________(insert name), the Dem nominee, has(1) really been holding his own? (2) sinking like a rock into the Atlantic?(3) has a HUGE lead because people are REALLY pissed ? or (4) it's totally up for grabs because the electorate is sending such mixed signals?

Meanwhile. DU is 50,000 members strong (I maybe too conservative in that estimate) and 1/2 are ready for the revolution and the other half are in despair.

What do you see in your crystal ball?

....about 2 dozen people who are current members of this board saying "I hope Dean loses in 2 weeks, so I can say I told you so"

You know the perps......

...about 4 dozen people on the board still saying they will not vote for the democrat because it isn't Howard Dean.

that you both need to chill out with the negativity.

Your point would be much more salient if you didn't spend 85% of your time at DU posting negative bullshit. Here's the latest gems:

The General and the Governor - Two Measures of American Desperation

Dean is a dishonest, lying politician

Dean feared a 'Horton' scenario

Dean '04...

Whatever you may think, I am entitled to my opinion, and I'm entitled to express it.

I am a lifelong Democrat and I care a lot about who leads our party.

Why you felt it neccessary to respond to my post, which did nothing except try to say that people should give other DUers the benefit of the doubt and promote the idea that we will all unite behind the eventual nominee, with a slam against me, I don't understand.

And, you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that we already have a nominee. Guess what: it's still months before the first vote will be cast.

Yes, I did start these threads, and if you don't like it too bad. That doesn't mean I am any less committed to the Democratic party than anyone here. In fact, I would stack my Democratic credentials and committment against anybody.

To all the passionate supporters of any candidate out there
Dean feared a Horton scenario
The General and the Governor - Two Measures of American Desperation
Dean is a dishonest, lying politician
John Kerry is a liar
Who was right, Dean or Kerry?
Color Kerry Green
What is Dean's position on the Bush tax cut?
What is Kerry's position on the Bush tax cut?
Dean attacks Kerry over Vietnam
The $686 Billion Difference
"Let’s go to the moon right here on Earth"
Kerry emerges on big screen
Kerry Pushes Plan to Expand Health Insurance for Children
Mindful of Red Sox, Kerry keeps it brief
Kerry assails Wal-Mart Kerry assails Wal-Mart over health policies
"George Bush is taking this country in to a radically wrong direction"
What about the 'fax' of the matter?
Kerry lights a fire under 1,000 firefighters
Edwards Criticizes Clark's Past Comments
The Gaffes of John Kerry - His most embarrassing quotes
Kerry Pushes for Repeal of Some Tax Cuts

Those are all the active threads in P&C I've started. Are some negative about your candidate? Sure. Are most positive about my candidate? Yes. Of course I wish the positive threads got as much attention as the negative ones but we know that's just not how it goes here.

Why you felt it neccessary to respond to my post, which did nothing except try to say that people should give other DUers the benefit of the doubt and promote the idea that we will all unite behind the eventual nominee, with a slam against me, I don't understand.



"I see that you both need to chill out with the negativity."


Please point out where "benefit of the doubt" and a "call for unity behind the eventual nominee" appears in the above sentence.


Dean is a dishonest, lying politician (Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-16-03 04:43 PM)


Please point out the positives(non-negativity) in the above sentence.


Hence, my chuckle.

Depends on which of 1 - 4 is true.

I tell you, I look at it this way. Bush didn't get a majority of the votes last time. This time, some people who voted for him won't be doing it again. I personally know three people who fall into that category. I think we all know people who fall into that category. I don't think he's won any converts. He did after 9/11, but he's lost them again. I don't see how he can win unless he steals the election with voting machine fraud.

He didn't win last time, and I'm sure there are more people who have jumped off his bandwagon than on it. At least it seems this must be so maybe it's not.

I can't even imagine what it will be like next October. Painful maybe. I keep hoping the press will turn on him, but just when I start to get optimistic about that, they go back to their groveling.

to give Bush his $87M, and ask myself why.

I wonder why the majority of Dems did not stand by their presidential candidates, who mostly voted against the bill.

I see a majority of Democrats who voted for the Syrian Sanctions bill, further enabling the Bush regime to expand its wars.

I see a Congress so filled with whores, it reeks with hypocricy.

I see huge numbers of congressional Democrats voting to strengthen this president, and his neocon friends in PNAC. I watch them time after time, giving this un-elected fraud all the tools he needs to illegally invade other countries.

I see them pandering to Israel, putting the best interests of their own nation second.

I see myself wanting to see this Congress shut down, with the offending Democrats, and Republicans, tried for treason, right along with the executive branch.

I see myself badly wanting a candidate who promises reform, and who follow through with it.

I see myself wanting my party to completly reform itself, to find ways to cast off the whores who now control it.

My mood? Just fucking dandy....

:grr:

and you're not alone.

You have lots of company after todays vote. I do not understand it at all. Are they bought off?

a rotten situation.

:evilfrown:

ALWAYS darkest just before the dawn. Be thankful for the conditions that set up the revolution, it can be no other way...and hasn't been since man walked upright.

Polpilot's crystal ball sees Dean winning with 67% of the popular vote, an unprecendented landslide in these smarmy get along political times. The Democratic Enablers Club A/K/A Cockroach Contingency will be exterminated over the next 5 years.

Dean '04...Roving About

Christ allmighty, FDR and LBJ in their finest moments of glory didnt get that much. BTW what about those "cockroaches" who stood up and I am always told that Kucinich wouldnt be able to work with congress by some of you all and thus unelectable. 67% sorry but I cant see that.

This race is unrelated to the eras referenced in your post. Kucinich
refuses to sully his hands with the current politico-whores in the U.S. congress as well he should.

Reflect on Howard Dean's poll numbers and $$$$ just 12 months ago. Reflect on the DLC denouncement of him and the response from Dean and the supporters.

My 67% number is my 'real' number and a reflection of the converging major factors in this country over the next 12 months. The 'Howard coverage' factor will transform the #'s and the country overnight. The spiralling downward economic factors in the U.S. combined with more of the National Guard headed for Sheperd Land will create an animosity towards Bush and the repubs unseen in my lifetime and all coverging by '04 Election Day.

On we go...

Dean '04...The New Democratic Leader of The NEW Democratic Party.

Christ and people call me the idealist. Of course this isnt like era's past but 67% thats pretty fucking bold to say, I am not flaming but sorry but FDR at his peak didnt get that and thats fucking FDR.

I just found it a bold statement to say being that the man I consider the best and most beloved democrat in history didnt get 2/3. I can say this I know who FDR was and Dean aint FDR. None of these guys are in that respect. FDR sigh :cry: I love that guy, he did so much for the people, then on a springs day, "I have a terrific headache" and the war went on oh the war went on sigh thank you Mr. Roosevelt. Sorry about that guys but FDR is like one of the biggest heroes of mine.

Dean '04.

In the 1540's? :shrug:

Dean '04...

I don't think Nixon got 2/3 in 1972, either. Same with Harding in 1920.

Its funny really as a Kucinich supporter Ive been called idealistic and that I am, but I dont think my guy is gonna get 2/3 of the vote.

Dean '04.

It is kinda like Freudian 'displacement'. When someone is being beat on by something more powerful, they take it out on something less powerful. And this will happen no matter who the candidate is. If Clark is behind, the Dean people will say, "I told you this would happen if we elect Bushlite!" and so forth.

If it is close or if we are ahead, anybody cheering for Bush or the Greens is going to get badly tarred and feathered. Everyone will be supporting the Democratic team.

My gut tells me Bush will be winning 55-45 next October, since I expect Iraq to be somewhat cleaned up and the economy to be marginally better. Since poskonig's law dictates that "If Bush can fuck it up, he probably will," I nevertheless remain optimistic.

about the presidency. But we are today poorer and deeper in s* than we were yesterday - what a mess! UN, Congress - they all bowed to Caligula. WHY????

I don't think that Kerry is for anything resembling a revolution. He's for a return to sanity, which seems like a revolutionary thought after 4 loooong years.

Then again, think about it. Here is a guy that actually stands a chance of transforming the 21st century into the "green century," as Time magazine puts it. After 18 years in the Senate (and a Lt. Governorship dedicated to fighting acid rain), Kerry has earned a LIFETIME rating of 96.5%. He's fought terrorism since the 80's. Kerry is the man to completely overhaul the way we consume energy and our very relationship to the Earth. He despises the Big Oil people - and they despise him - and that's what you need to stand up to them.

I guess that is pretty revolutionary.

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http://www.time.com/time/2002/greencentury/enkerry.html

WASHINGTON - House Majority Leader Tom DeLay accused Ohio Congressman and Democratic Presidential nominee Dennis Kucinich of having sex with an alligator and a wolf Friday.

"Here is photographic evidence," Delay said on the House floor Friday upon introducing a resolution of expulsion against Kucinich. "Look how close they are. You can imagine that the did it within a couple hours after this picture was taken."



Senator and Vice-Presidential Nominee Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, accused DeLay of trying to sink the Kucinich/Feingold ticket.

"They are trailing in the polls. The American people have turned against them, and they know it," said Feingold, who, along with his would-be boss, led President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in a recent Zogby poll, 48-41%. A CNN/USA Today poll showed Kucinich and Feingold leading 51-40.

"Oh, Shut up, Whine-gold!" said Bill O'Reilly in his Talking Points memo on Friday's "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News. In recent weeks, the "Factor" has hit rock bottom in ratings.

Former Rep. Joe Scarborough, R-Florida, whose MSNBC show, "Scarborough Country," was cancelled in April because of low ratings, debated the matter with former Gov. Howard Dean, D-VT, on MSNBC’s “Hardball.”

"Slick Willie denied it, Gary Condom denied it,” said Scarborough, “and now Dennis Kiss-My-@$$ is denying it.”

Dean, who finished runner-up in the New Hampshire and Ohio primaries to Kucinich, said, “Lori Klausu-“

“SHUT UP! Shut up, and stick a stethoscope up your liberal @$$!” shouted Chris Matthews, the moderator of “Hardball,” to the physician-turned-governor-turned-Presidential insurgent.

I accuse Tom Delay of being an asshole. Kucinich/Feingold how can anyone not love that, Harkin would be nice too.

When the election returns come in, Bush has pulled off an upset "victory." The pollsters are stunned. Bill O'liely starts talking about how the left wing media was spreading propaganda about the Dems' lead. When we at DU look at the numbers, we realize that it went just as expected everywhere they use paper ballots, but somehow Bush did much, MUCH better than the polls suggested where they use computerized voting machines that leave no paper trail. We scream about it, but the mainstream press never mentions it again. Bush has "won" "re"election.