Dean supporters: Vague just like their candidate...but Kucinich...

My fellow Democrats:

We can't let these pessimists win, people, the revolution will not be televised! I haven't yet heard a single Dean supporter get substantive on the issues and in a logical manner determine that Dean is the better candidate than Kucinich. I'll say it again: Dean supporter's are vague on the issues because their candidate is vague on the issues.

This is an open challenge, and a comprehensive challenge. Answer the following:

1) Can't we have a universal health care system instead of the current system (and bear in mind every other industrialized nation recognizes this right to live)?

2) Given that the retail industry has enslaved peoples worldwide to make cheap goods for you to buy at the nation's largest employer Wal-Mart, why shouldn't we cancel NAFTA and the WTO? Should we use our clout as the largest economy in the world to enforce labor and environmental standards, and do you think it is absolutely necessary, given the international and global importance of this issue, that whomever the Democratic nominee be, he or she should make clear statements on these issues, yes or no?

3) Isn't the Pentagon budget too large, and isn't it a good idea to cut it to further the social development in this country through education, as Kucinich has recommended?

4) Isn't public campaign financing the ONLY way to ensure that poor people have the same amount of voice in our democratic government as the rich, white professionals who fund some campaigns?

5) IS there a class struggle in America?

Bring it on. Let's make this an open dialog. Show us why your candidate compromises for less, or why he or she is willing to finally agree with, the above provisions which Kucinich would make inherent in the lives of our children's children. And NO generalizations like "It would never get through Congress" or "The media says Dean is the best", get down, and dirty if you have to, and tell us WHY your candidate can't get these things done. I mean, if it can't get through Congress shouldn't we elect someone who's willing to work on it. And should we even trust a media who marched us into war, and don't the corporations who own media outlets have a conflict of interest in who runs the United States (especially given Kucinich's language of busting up the monopolies). Be substantive. Leave no gaps. Let's go, let's get detailed.

http://www.kucinich.us

Come off it. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE what they're going to be able to pull off. Dennis has less to lose; he can get more specific.

You can get as detailed as you want, but all the plans are out the window (as they should be) depending on what Congress and the rest of the world looks like in 2005.

Although I think Kucinich would be an excellent candidate I think Dean is smarter and would vote for him because of that. Period.

"Dennis has less to lose; he can get more specific."

Less to lose than who...Dean??? huh?!

Why should it matter - the people need to hear as much about these plans as possible if we are to decide...or do we simply take their rhetoric...I mean word??


...and of course things will certainly be different by 2005- but plans should encompass a few scenarios , don't you think?

Dean smarter than Kucinich?? I doubt that somehow....but then there are many different kinds of "smart"....

Peace
DR

than Dean because every word Dean says is being examined under a microscope. It would be exactly the same if Kucinich were in front; front-runners draw the most scrutiny. If you're pulling in 1% of the vote in NH there's not a whole lot of risk, is there?

If Kucinich were being called to task for every sentence he speaks he'd have plenty of explaining to do. I admit my preferring Dean over Kucinich has a lot to do with visceral impressions which others may disagree with, FE I believe his 'Dept of Peace' idea is wacky. I also believe Dean has more experience with budgets and would run a tighter ship.

Why is Dean smarter?

And does intelligence supercede empathy, in the role of president of the United States. I mean to say:

Dean is smarter.

And give no explanation as to way, isn't very substantice to say the least. I mean, there is a lot to intelligence: like being a mathematical person (like me), that's one way, to be quick witted like my in-laws is another, to be a genius musician is another. Do you think that Kucinich isn't capable of intelligent thought? And here's a doozer:

Given that Kucinich grew up homeless and Dean grew up rich, who has come the longest way with identifying the whole of society as a network of human identity and why?

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I do feel it was wrong for soundnvision to generalize like that.

Kucinich for president you betcha but dont generalize them, they have their reasons.

NOT to generalize people.

in America, then he would take out his sword (like Dean) and cut the umbilical cord the Republican Party has to the South.

The Democratic Party (including our African American contingent) should become the Conferderate Party. The time has come to heal the rift. The time has come for the South to embrace everything that was and is good about its heritage and come to terms with what was shameful. The time has come for the North to stop treating the South as its backwards, hick brother. The time has come for the South to put their foot down at the patronizing race card played by the Republican party. The time has come for Sharpton and Jackson to stop opening wounds which it is time to heal.

It is time.

Bring the country together. Lead this country out of pesimism. Lead this country out of devisiveness. Swing the sword. Cut the ties. Stop the bullshit. Now.

You attack Dean supporters and then ask them to join your candidate?

Good plan. :eyes:

You have your reasons for supporting yours and I have me for mine, and you and I gotta commend you for this you didnt let the polls choose your candiate, you chose out of principle.

flamebait.

punkingal, DU moderator

1) Can't we have a universal health care system instead of the current system (and bear in mind every other industrialized nation recognizes this right to live)?

Yes, we can. The real question is the methodology getting to that point. Why hasn't it been addressed thus far?

2) Given that the retail industry has enslaved peoples worldwide to make cheap goods for you to buy at the nation's largest employer Wal-Mart, why shouldn't we cancel NAFTA and the WTO? Should we use our clout as the largest economy in the world to enforce labor and environmental standards, and do you think it is absolutely necessary, given the international and global importance of this issue, that whomever the Democratic nominee be, he or she should make clear statements on these issues, yes or no?

This all depends on what your global view is. Eliminating NAFTA will have a severe negative backlash on our current economy. The jobs aren't going to suddenly rush back to the U.S. Meanwhile it would send the Mexican economy into a tailspin. We have created this monster and you just can't abandon it. You think illegal immigration is bad now, it will become much worse. Our overall goal should be the elimnation of borders. NAFTA is a step towards that. Now we can revisit it and tweak it.

3) Isn't the Pentagon budget too large, and isn't it a good idea to cut it to further the social development in this country through education, as Kucinich has recommended?

At this point in time, I only fully support the full defunding of the Ballistic Missile Fraudthingy. The money in defense needs to be shifted, essentially military personnel shouldn't have to be on food stamps to survive. The Veteran Administration needs to be fully funded, our veterans deserve quality medical care.

4) Isn't public campaign financing the ONLY way to ensure that poor people have the same amount of voice in our democratic government as the rich, white professionals who fund some campaigns?

Yes, but since we don't have true public campaign financing, we'll have to wait for Congress to pass those laws. I mean, hello!

5) IS there a class struggle in America?

Yes, there is. What does that have to do with anything?

is a platform that would not resonate with the American public. Pure and simple, we would lose every election with that platform. Like it or not, the majority of Americans are more centrist. A far left Liberal agenda is a recipe for defeat. You must first appeal to those Democrats that have left the party and bring them back to the fold. Then, maybe, they can be educated and brought to the left. The current political climate doesn't allow for a truly Liberal Presidential Candidate at present. The changes will come from within, slowly. Not by some coup or our insistance of offering Liberal candidates in a highly moderate country. The American people are not ready for that, and will not cast their votes for that agenda. It's been proven time and again. We need to take a new tack, and as far as I've seen, Dr. Dean is the only candidate will to take that tack. All op the other candidates are great people but they've lost touch with the pulse of this country. We're NOT a Liberal country, no matter what you may think.