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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:41 PM
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Mr. Change-Your-Opinion-for-Expediency
Kerry's new slam against Governor Dean. Way to go Senator, it's easy to see why you connect so well with the voters. They all talk like that too.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:43 PM
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1. What did Mr. No-Spine say about Dean?
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dean4america Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:45 PM
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2. now that's funny
the word "connect so well with the voters" and "John Kerry" just don't belong in the same post, do they.

I wonder if Dean will bring up the incident involving Kerry and Weld ... when Kerry broke the promised spending limit by 1.2 million when it was clear he would have lost.

I'd vote for Lieberman before I'd vote for Kerry - at least he believes in his convictions, however misplaced they may be.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:47 PM
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4. Let me second that
"I'd vote for Lieberman before I'd vote for Kerry - at least he believes in his convictions, however misplaced they may be."

yep me too!
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:47 PM
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17. A want for wisdom
You'd think a lifetime record of a brave liberal would be good enough for you guys, but I guess not. Some right-wing points and tendency to forget certain facts prove stronger.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:37 PM
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21. Hoisted on one's own petard...
... isn't a very pleasant experience, is it?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:23 PM
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12. That was a rightwinger's story you are spreading.
Weld opted out first. Kerry opted out after. The article was spun to make it sound like Kerry was the perpetrator.

Brian McGrory is the rightwing columnist at the Globe, and it's amazing that so many NOW believe rightwing spin when it suite their own political agenda.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:24 PM
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13. Weld negotiated a deal
Whether this is a GOP talking point or not, it is still relevant.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 05:53 PM
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14. Do you mean...
... like Chimpy McFlightSuit opetd out before Howard Dean? That kind of opting out first?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:42 PM
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15. Kick
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:07 PM
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18. Stll-waiting-for-an-answer kick.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:42 PM
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22. Is this reporter a right winger, too?
At the center of power, seeking the summit .

By John Aloysius Farrell, Globe Staff, 6/21/2003


(snip)

Weld rolled out the platform that had served him well in state elections: reform welfare, be tougher on criminals, and cut taxes. Kerry staked out Democratic positions on health insurance for children, investments in education, and better job-training programs.

Kerry, however, was suffering defections by some Bay State Democratic officials. Others did little to help him. After Kerry's 12 years in Washington, some said he was a stranger, a remote figure who courted them at election time.

The candidates made a personal pledge to each other to abide by a cap on overall spending and media costs. They also agreed not to spend more than $500,000 in personal wealth. But in the final weeks, with Weld outspending Kerry, the incumbent blew off the cap, mortgaged the Beacon Hill townhouse he jointly owned with his wife, and poured $1.7 million into his campaign kitty. He claimed Weld was buying more media time than their agreement allowed, but there was scant evidence to back that up.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062103_p.shtml

Just curious...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:54 PM
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23. Hehehe..
:thumbsup:
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:46 PM
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3. Dean
as someone who has voted a straight democratic ticket since 1984---why do i get this feeling that dean is another george mcgovern?????
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:48 PM
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6. Yeah, why do you get that feeeling? There's certainly no comparisons
between the two that match up, other than what the right-wing would like you to believe.

Correction--they are similar in one respect--they believe in their convictions.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:48 PM
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7. I'll take a shot
you have been watching too much fox news?
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:01 PM
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11. rightwing i'm not
right in the middle of dixie---fox is for idiots---ideology somewhere near the center---clark i can support--edwards a possibility----and---when you stand for everthing you stand for nothing---why not three or four points and drive them home over and over again and leave some of the personal agenda's where they are until we have another democratic president---looking from the outside in sucks---republicans understand power works best from the inside out
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:49 PM
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8. Because that idea has been planted
Just keep voting Democratic no matter what. If you don't want Dean, then get behind someone you do support and promote the hell out of him/her.

If you feel Dean needs to be 'destroyed' a bit, then line up some effective attacks against him and see if he can weather them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:49 PM
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9. He's not. McGovern was a war hero with a fairly liberal record.
Electorally, Dean is more like Mondale in 84. John Glenn was the better match up against Reagan, but Mondale won the primary.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:52 PM
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10. Are you sure Glenn ran in 84? I thought it was 88
Mondale was pretty much by himself in 1984.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:44 PM
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16. It was 84
I was too young to vote for him so it was 84.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:47 PM
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5. Yeah, that was very funny.
He's quite a clever wordsmith, and good at projection, too.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:11 PM
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19. Kerry will vent as the date for his withdrawal nears.Expect it & let it go
Dean '04....
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:29 PM
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20. Yes, he will.
The only way he can raise $45 million, it would seem, is to opt in. Must be frustrating as hell for him and his syncophants...
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