Sen. Birch "Blah" fears Dean stand on Iraq war.

On Charlie Rose, Birch "Blah" revealed the concern that if Dean's continued opposition to Iraq war gets him the nomination, the DLC will have a problem explaining its spineless support of Bush. His basic arguents were that if we would go along with Bush the DLC can hide its complicity, win the election, and get us a health care system. That was it. That's the DLC program.

"Blah" was concerned Dems would be seen as "isolationist". This used to be defined as a reluctance to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. Today "isolationism" is a reluctance to invade and occupy countries Bush sees as an economic opportinity for the Carlisle Group.

The Senator was also worried Democrats would be seen as "Tax and Spend". The fact that the Iraq occupation will cost more tax payers dollars than Hillary Clinton's universal health care seems to have escaped him. The idea of pointing this out to voters will never occur to him.

Can we win with a DLC of Democrats like him?

on the poor dead soldiers who died needlessly in this war.

This guy is just a blah.

He's so "blah" I can't even get his name right. Sorry about that.

...he comes from the Midwest. Oh sorry. So did William Jennings Bryan.

Birch Bayh was among the early opponents of the Vietnam War. Evan Bayh was a supporter of Bush's Iraq invasion.

Birch Bayh opposed Nixon's nominees to the Supreme Court (Haynsworth and Carswell). Evan Bayh supported every one of Bush's nominees to the federal bench.

Birch Bayh supported abortion rights. Evan Bayh voted to restrict abortion rights.

Birch Bayh is not Evan Bayh.

Birch Bayh was a Democrat. Evan Bayh is a DINO.

nor do you take the time to even examine Bayh's record, IndianaGreen. And that's sad, considering that you live IN his state. Shouldn't you know the records of your elected representatives and senators? Here are some of Evan Bayh's interest group ratings for your perusal. After you look at them, you will realize that it is stupid to call Evan Bayh a DINO.
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2002 On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Well now, so much for Evan Bayh being pro-life. Oh, and don't even tell me that just because he voted for the PBA ban makes him pro-life. I am well read in this subject. His one anti choice vote does not make him pro-life.

Here are some other interest group ratings for Evan Bayh:

2002 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 93 percent of the time.

2003 Based on the results of a questionnaire the Gun Owners of America assigned Senator Bayh a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).

2003 On the votes that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 85 percent of the time. Yeah he's a real DINO all right. Lmao.

2002 On the votes that the National Association of Retired Federal Employees considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Bayh voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

Now, let's compare these ratings to some interest group ratings for the Senate's ONLY DINO, Zell Miller, shall we?

First, let's talk about Zell's record on abortion.

2003 On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee considered to be the most important in the first half of the 108th Congress, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

Oh, oops, he has exactly the OPPOSITE record of Evan Bayh. Isn't that interesting?

Gay rights and other civil rights organizations also give him poor scores to Evan Bayh's:

2002 On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 57 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 58 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 38 percent of the time.

Labor:

2002 On the votes that the AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Miller voted their preferred position 58 percent of the time.


Let's move on to your claim that Evan Bayh is a DINO. First off, let me say who is a DINO in the Senate currently. I have heard on DU that Kerry is a DINO, Gephardt is a DINO, Edwards is a DINO, and Lieberman is a DINO. Well, um, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG AGAIN. None of these people are DINOs. The only DINO in the senate currently is Zell Miller. Zell Miller is one because he consistently bashes Democrats and takes the side of the Republicans on almost every issue. Ben Nelson isn't even a DINO. If you are going to misrepresent the facts then at least try and do it well. I'm not going to let you keep making these statements without providing evidence. Sorry, IG. :)

...dozens of lives a month, which didn't do anything to help americans, and which the public mostly doesn't even support and believe that Bush lied to get us into it?

Oh yeah, Dean's opposition to that will really kill his chances.

What planet are these people on?

Planet PNAC, of course. The DLC's chief policy people at their wholly-owned think tank, Progressive Policy Institute and writers in their magazine (Blueprint) sign PNAC letters and their current and former chairmen(Bayh and Lieberman) belong to the PNAC spin-off Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Those of us who have been crying "watch out for the DLC" for close to a year haven't just been crying wolf, you know.

... to vote in favor of the bush* so-called tax cuts. this was a very clear line-in-the-sand issue for dems, and "blah" voted against 95% of his dem senate colleagues.

obviously "blah" is not exactly in a "leadership" position in his own party. but when the leader of the other party needed him, "blah" was there.

...that his vote opposed the tax cut this time around. But the fact that he flirted with voting for it and seriously entertained the fact makes me embarrassed to call him my senator. I will vote for him again when he is up for re-election, but I will definitely have to hold my nose while doing it...

Some of his stances recently make me have cramps...

:hurts:

And now let me tell you what I REALLY think of him! :eyes:

Worst of all, he actually thinks his views represent the majority of Democrats, let alone the American public as a whole. (Speaking of which, those last three words pretty well describe him, too! :D )

We've won without him--and Indiana--before, and we'll darn sure win without him again. Apparently no one remotely related to him, or friends of him or his family, lost a loved one in Iraq, or had a loved one wounded over there. He's kind of our version of Dub, truth be known. He's so detached from reality he wouldn't know how much the Average American is suffering if one came up and bit him on the :kick: .

...and, boy, I sure wish one WOULD! x(

B-)

I had never heard of him and got his name wrong. His father I'm now told is "Birch", and this guy "Evan" fell a long way from the tree.

He served two terms as Governor of Indiana. Did he do an awful job as Governor as well, and then the voters elected him to the Senate?

twice when he ran for Governor, and once when he ran for the US Senate.

Something happened to him when he moved to the Beltway. He must have had a DLC lobotomy. Bayh has turned into an arrogant, pompous, and self-centered moron!

Bayh even had the police arrest peaceful antiwar activists that came to his Indianapolis office to petition him on the war in Iraq.

I am voting against him when he runs for reelection in 2004.

of Liberman. He thinks he speaks for the party base. He is fast becoming a joke.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=Bilderberg+Bayh&spell=1

Not a big secret.

Follow the links if you want.

These guys tie back in social networks to the Bushes and Skull and Bones etc. Kind of Illuminati-types but more public.

Dodd (whose Dad was a FBI operative under Hoover - anticommunists etc.)

Etc.

Follow the money



GORE in FOUR!!!!

And Susan Bayh escorts Dean when he needs a fill in for First Lady. So...what gives?

No.

blm, you have some of the lamest excuses for not supporting Dean that I've ever seen. Just because they may disagree now or have agreed on issues in the past doesn't mean that they can't be friends in social circles.

YOU chose to buy the dog and pony show. I do not.

and they are moderates, like me. You might call Dean's campaign a dog and pony show, but my Vermont friends would laugh at you.

I was referring to Bayh's dog and pony show.

And OF COURSE your friends adore him.

as opposed to, say, "Borrow and Spend?" . . .

...He was eating out of Hannity's hands, suckin up to him bigtime. Said the Democrats could not be "concsientious objectors" on the war issue (without explaining that everyone supported the Afgan war).Wouldn't say a bad word about Bush*'s WMD lies.

He's fast becoming the blow-dried spokesman for the DLC.

in many respects. And that takes some doing.

Why doesn't Birch take him aside and smack some sense into him?

The 'Safety' Trap
Democrats followed the party's center-seeking presidential hopefuls into an ideological no-man's land.

By Rick Perlstein
November 11, 2002

Tuesday's loss gave Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt plenty to ponder.

Early last month, the man many have anointed as the frontrunner for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination gave the kind of speech liberals have long been waiting to hear from a presidential candidate. Speaking before an audience of defense intellectuals in Washington, North Carolina Senator John Edwards attacked President George W. Bush's foreign policy as a case study in "arrogance without purpose" and "gratuitous unilateralism."What happened a few days later was enough to make anyone's head spin. Edwards joined 28 other Senate Democrats and voted to approve the resolution granting Bush license to go after Saddam Hussein with all the gratuitous unilateralism he cares to muster. It wasn't even surprising that Edwards voted yes. He was one of the measure's cosponsors.

For liberal observers, watching Edwards in action felt like a time-lapsed version of watching the entire 2002 campaign. Across the country, Democrats in tough reelection fights fell over themselves to appear as centrist as possible (the list of Iraq resolution cosponsors, noted The New Republic, "read like a who's who of vulnerable incumbents"). Moreover, Edwards was joined in his vote by every other Democratic presidential hopeful, although some had delivered pre-vote speeches even more war-shy than his. For the handful of Democrats in Congress with presidential ambitions, the obsessive desire to avoid offending the president's supporters simply proved too compelling -- even if, in their hearts, they clearly believed the president's course was foolish. Two of them, Tom Daschle and Hillary Clinton, even made the astonishing claim that passing Bush's resolution would help prevent war in Iraq. Apparently, a safe vote with the President was worth even the risk of non sequitor.

The Iraq vote was, of course, only the latest blush in a veritable Democratic love affair with "safety" this past year. From the administration's proposal to repeal the estate tax, and last year's fat-cat-fattening income tax cut, to this year's underwhelming White House response to the rash of corporate scandals, the reaction from the Democratic leadership has been the same: bold, bold, bold proposals for prescription drug coverage under Medicare a smidge more generous than the Republicans'.

More: http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2002/46/we_192_01.html

Those lawmakers who negotiated to stop Bush from getting a REAL blank check deserve praise not condemnation for political gain.

I'm sure our soldiers can see the difference there.


I will vote for Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, or Gephardt if any of them is the nominee. But please do not act like their war vote was some oh-so-courageous act.

PREVENTED that blank check from becoming reality. YOU don't like that inconvenient fact because it doesn't suit the EASY argument that many have made.


If YOU were in the position to negotiate:
Would you NOT have prevented a wider theater of attacks that included Iran and Syria?

Would you NOT have traded for the administration to be forced to go to the UN with evidence? (For which they are now looking pretty bad)

Would you NOT have traded for weapons inspectors to be allowed back in before any action?

If you didn't consider any of these worthwhile, than you would be unfit to serve and derelict of duty to negotiate with a White House that NEEDED containing.

I'm just wondering where this is going, as Lieberman is unlikely to get the nomination.

I just don't believe that Bayh and Dean are far apart on the issues. I do think Bayh is helping create the dog and pony show for Dean's gain in the spotlight. Heck, Bayh even lends Dean his wife to fill in for Mrs. Dean when Howie neeeds an escort.

If they can argue that Lieberman can't be nominated and that every other candidate hurts the Democratic ticket, they have the cover which they were hoping for to bail out in 2004.

Their argument...I'm not being the sorry backstabber, because I opposed the liberals before they hijacked my party!