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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:31 PM
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Clinton's reference to a lie being a "mistake" ......being used.
Here are portions of a letter from my Republican congressman, Adam Putnam. He is one who votes with Bush on everything, never seems to deviate from the party line. Please note his reference to Clinton. I tried to edit, but there is so much misrepresentation I hated to leave any out.
I am ashamed to have my congressman make all these statements that are absolutely unproven. I am furious with Bill Clinton, because he must have been trying to protect himself as well. And I am so tired of arguing with this fellow all the time, that I just quit.


...."Thank you for your recent letter from MoveOn.org in support of H.R. 2625,
legislation that would establish an independent Commission on Intelligence
about Iraq. I appreciate hearing from you.

It is important that we not forget the facts that led to the United
Nations Resolution and Congressional authorization of the use of force.
To implement the agreement that ended the Gulf War, the United Nations
Security Council passed a number of resolutions demanding that President
Saddam Hussein stop pursuing weapons of mass destruction and allow
inspectors total access to his country to verify his compliance. Saddam
Hussein suspended cooperation with the U.N. inspectors in 1998.

On September 12, 2002, President Bush spoke before the U.N. General
Assembly to call upon that body to enforce the sixteen (16) existing
Security Council Resolutions that Iraq had violated. The United Nations
Security Council on November 8, 2002, unanimously approved a new
American-sponsored disarmament mandate for Iraq, warning Saddam Hussein to
cooperate or face "serious consequences". The adoption of Resolution 1441
set the stage for the return of an advance team of U.N. weapons inspectors
to Baghdad. The Iraqi Parliament unanimously recommended rejection of the
new resolution but reserved the final decision to Saddam Hussein.

U.N. inspectors landed in Baghdad and resumed the search for weapons of
mass destruction. United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix
stated that Iraq had not shown "genuine acceptance" of demands that it
disarm, and had failed to demonstrate active cooperation with inspection
efforts. He said, that the level of cooperation by Baghdad required by
U.N. resolutions continued to be often "withheld or given grudgingly."

President Bush requested that Congress grant him the authority to force
Saddam Hussein’s compliance with these agreements and resolutions. I
commended the President for consulting with the Congress in this matter,
because while not a precondition for us to defend ourselves, it was wise
and proper to enlist the support of the United Nations to demonstrate
global concern for Saddam Hussein’s disregard for international law.

On October 10, 2002, the House of Representatives considered whether or
not to grant President Bush this authority. Committing American lives to
any armed conflict is a heavy responsibility, but after prayerful
consideration I concluded that the clear and present threat to our nation
justifies granting the President the authority he requested. The measure,
H.J. Res. 114, passed the House on a bipartisan vote of 296-133.

Iraq never came to a genuine acceptance of the disarmament that is
demanded of it. Iraq's 12,000-page arms declaration contained little more
than old material previously submitted to inspectors. Secretary of State
Colin Powell, in his address to the U.N. Security Council, provided ample
evidence of continued Iraqi non-compliance and connection to the al-Qaeda
terrorist network.

No one seriously asserts that Iraq was not aggressively pursuing weapons
of mass destruction. Former President Bill Clinton emphasized this point
when he recently said "It is incontestable that on the day I left office,
there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We
might have destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't
know it because we never got to go back in there. When I left office,
there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material
unaccounted for.... So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to
the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and
this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not
just continued sanctions."

As you are aware, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has already
provided the House Intelligence Committee thousands of pages of documents
on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The House Intelligence Committee,
led by one of my colleagues from Florida, Rep. Porter Goss, has announced
a detailed plan to examine the quality of U.S. Intelligence on the threat
posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the war. The panel
plans to conduct closed interviews with top intelligence officials and
possibly have open public hearings.

The declassified version of the 9/11 inquiry has just been released, and
Chairmen Goss has stated that only after reviewing documents and comparing
them to new information coming out of Iraq should we be able to better
answer legitimate questions about our pre-war intelligence. I intend to
review this classified information shortly, and I believe that the course
of action set forth by Chairman Goss is the most prudent to be taken at
this time.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views. If you are
interested in other legislation that is pending before Congress, please
visit my website at www.adamputnam.house.gov.

May God Bless America.

Sincerely,

Adam Putnam
Member of Congress
















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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:42 PM
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1. Then end the writing with one final letter
'I don't intend to vote for you again, and I have commenced work on making sure others don't either.'

Yours in all sincerity.....etc

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netsec Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:55 PM
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2. Not sure what you are talking about
What is being misrepresented? There were that many resolutions, Saddam did kick out the inspectors in 1998, President Bush did seek and receive Congress' approval to use force, Clinton really did say that, the unclassified 9/11 report was released, Hans Blix did say that it seemed he was not getting total access. So I have to ask, what is misrepresented?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:11 PM
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3. Misrepresented in the sense that not total truth?
Perhaps as in "inspectors total access to his country to verify his compliance. Saddam Hussein suspended cooperation with the U.N. inspectors in 1998." ignores that the US had them pulled out so we could bomb, before Iraq suspended cooperation with the U.N.?


As in "Hans Blix stated that Iraq had not shown "genuine acceptance" of demands that it disarm, and had failed to demonstrate active cooperation with inspection efforts. He said, that the level of cooperation by Baghdad required by U.N. resolutions continued to be often "withheld or given grudgingly." while not saying Blix felt the response should be a longer stay in Iraq searching/interviewing of 6 months to a year, but that Bush refused to allow such inspections?

As getting "the support of the United Nations" is required under what folks thought was the International Law that the US was following, unless a clear and present danger meant you had to act immediately - therefore the Atomic - 45 minutes to a mushroom cloud - 16 words were the lynch pin of the Bush justification - making Bush a war criminal since he knew they were lies?

As in noting that Clinton said "It is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We might have destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn’t know it because we never got to go back in there. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for.... So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions." without noting that time being cut short for the inspections was NOT endorsed by Clinton - indeed no one but Bush saw a clear and present danger.

But Total Truth would mean Bush was either incompetent or a war criminal and liar to Congress that should be impeached. So we have Fox News partial truth.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:24 PM
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5. I won't argue with you either, you are too obvious.
One glaring thing is that the Al Quaeda connection to Iraq was never proven, in fact the only Al Quaeda there were in the Kurdish northern Iraq....we knew about them, too.

The rest, if you choose to believe, as my congressman does....are only partial truths.

If I thought you cared, or if anyone thought you really cared....there are many many threads here which would clarify it all.

I am just too tired of people excusing Bush for what he did. Shame on all of you.
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Liberal_Andy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:25 PM
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6. SADDAM DID NOT KICK OUT THE INSPECTORS!
WE ORDERED THEM OUT!
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:04 PM
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8. If you really are a veteran, how do you feel about the current pResident
being an AWOL lying scumbag motherfucker?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:22 PM
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4. I'd get that kind of crap from Rick Sanatarium
But at least I wrote the letter even though I knew the guy was an idiot!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 03:33 PM
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7. I had responded, but my post was lost when the thread was moved.
I don't know where to post what. I took time with it, too. One point was that I think this guy is a young version of Santorum.
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