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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:27 AM
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Clark on the Letterman show last night
I thought he did a great job. With the amount of Clark fans on DU, I'm suprised I can't find a thread discussing his interview last night. Was it a re-run or something??

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:28 AM
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1. There was a thread in GD....
I am looking for a link with the video replay of it. It's not on the Letterman web site just yet.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:33 AM
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2. well that explains it
I briefly glanced through GD before posting, but the thread didn't catch my eye.
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:35 AM
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3. I too thought he did well
For anyone who had not heard of Clark before, he made a great first impression. This good appearance ends one of Clark's best weeks of the campaign.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:41 AM
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4. When he said Bush pulled a "bait and switch", dropping Osama to go...
... after Saddam, the audience laughed and applauded loudly. It was VERY positive. Until that point, they had just been listening quietly.

The fact that that line was a big applause getter tells me a lot about where the mindset of the people are. They see Bush for what he is. They see Iraq for what it was.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:44 AM
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5. That was great, but
according to this post in LBN, Osama doesn't matter anymore:

U.S. General Says Bin Laden 'Out of the Picture'

:wtf:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:13 AM
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11. This bring to mind the following quote:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

Now, forget the blatant hypocrisy. But if they are now saying it's not important at all, then doesn't that make the initial quote rash and irresponsible? And should someone making rash and irresponsible statements about war, in a war, be the head of the most powerful country in the world?

Of course, we know the answer to that one.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:36 AM
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15. "We will not rest"
"but we might take 3 weeks off in August to hang at the ranch in Crawford."
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Rob in B_more Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:02 PM
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17. the DNC or Move-On or a candidate should have a comercial
out based on bush's first comercial, that statement about not resting, and the Generals comment about it not being a priority. Actually they should wait until he blows a couple million on broadcasting it and the turn it around on him.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:50 AM
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6. funny you mention that particular statement...
I needed a good laugh this morning so I turned on the laura ingrahm show...she's hilarious. Anyway, she plays that statement you just mentioned and then afterwards attempts to critisize Clark by calling him elitist. She also used the words arrogant and pompous.

For her of all people to call others arrogant and pompous is funny enough, but a career military man is elitist? Granted he was very high up on the chain of command, but elitist? You don't take bullets into your body for your country and then get labeled by a civilian as being elitist.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:53 AM
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8. When someone of Clark's stature loudly and forcefully calls Bush on...
Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 10:54 AM by Brotherjohn
...something, all they can do is throw out insults. These insults will always be irrelevant and not applicable to the target, because the people throwing them out are simply always wrong on the facts.

She might as well have said "I know you are, but what am I?" It's about all you can say.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 10:50 AM
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7. What was the part about "character and integrity"? And the "mistake" he..
...made with a reporter?

Dave seemed to think the "caharcetr and integrity" thing was pretty important to spend so much time on it (even asking at one point "do you think you can get past this?"). Apparently, someone at some point recently raised the issue against Clark and used the words "character and integrity". I must have missed when that happened. Can anyone enlighten me?

Also, does anyone know the story he refers to about early in his campaign "making a mistake with a very smart reporter", or something? It seems like he was saying this was why some people accuse him of changing his story on the Iraq War. He implied he slipped up and said something early on that people have mis-interpreted as meaning he was for the invasion of Iraq.
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kang Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:06 AM
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10. it's in reference to his former boss
Gen. Hugh Shelton who had a serious policy disagreement w/Clark during the Kosovo campaign. Below is a pretty detailed article on it from the Boston Globe.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/clark/articles/2003/11/17/an_arkansas_alliance_and_high_ranking_foes/

hope that helps!!
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:42 AM
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16. Sounds to me like he's just an independent thinker...
... and sometimes bends the rules. Not that it sounds like he broke ranks and was ever traitorous or insubordinate, mind you. Just that he did some things that ruffled feathers and went against the wishes of some colleagues.

Doesn't that describe every great general in history?

It also sounds like some people simply have a problem with him b/c he was close to Clinton. "Character and integrity" my a**. Clark was right. The guy (Shelton) simply throws something out and doesn't back it up with anything. That amounts to nothing more than a shallow smear without substance. Shelton should work for Faux News.

For the record, I thought Clark gave a very eloquent defense of his actions in Kosovo. While one may say he is casting it in the best light possible for his image, I think it simply sounded heartfelt and sincere.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 05:37 PM
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18. Generals Larry, Moe and Shemp
also known as Shelton, Schwartzkopf and Franks have all taken shots at Clark.

It started when Shelton told a questioner that he wouldn't vote for Clark because he had been pulled out of Europe because of "character and integrity" issues. Somehow, Gen Shelton neglected to mention that he himself was a friend and advisor to Senator Edwards, coincidentally running against Clark for the Democratic nomination. Shel has not deigned to expand or explain his remarks, despite ample opportunities to do so. The anti-Clark folks like that just fine since it is the kind of unproven, unattributed smear they prefer.

Stormin Norman agreed with Shelton, though he admitted he didn't know Clark since he hadn't served under Stormin' and, in fact, Norm had been retired when Shelton and DefSec Cohen lied to President CLinton to get Clark out of Europe. (They led Clinton to beleive that this was standard operating procedure (S.O.P.) instead of a political vendetta). As it turns out, though, Norm seems to have had it in for Clark since he was an instructor at West Point and Clark was on his way to becoming the head of his class at the Academy. Norm seemed to think that Clark's intelligence would affect his professionalism. In Norm's world that sort of thing makes sense.

Tommy Franks, who generally just chimed in with what the big boys said, has a problem with his own comments. Just recently, for example, he stated that if there was another successful terrorist attack on US soil we might just have to get rid of that pesky Constitution and put a military style government in place.

I think the Bible mentions something about "by your enemies shall you be known". With guys like this gunning for Clark I don't think he's got anything to worry about.

Oh, and I'd like to apologise to Larry, Moe and Shemp for comparing them to these three. The authentic Stooges deserve better.
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kang Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:03 AM
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9. There was his 60 minutes II interview that was much more impressive
but I'm so many sites now that I'm spread pretty thin. I'll post those transcripts in another one...I think most Dems will appreciate his critique of Bush.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:18 AM
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12. LOVED IT!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:24 AM
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13. Hey I have a lingering question about Clark....His Ring...Is that a
West Point Ring or General Ring or NBA Championship ring?

Man that thing is huge. Does anyone know what that ring is all about?
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 11:34 AM
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14. I read somewhere ...
.... that it is his West Point ring and also his wedding ring. Lots of West Point grads use their class ring as their wedding rings apparently ...
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 05:39 PM
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19. Shhhh...
It's the ONE ring. Clark found it in the Baltics at the bottom of a very old mountain. Since then everyone around him seems unable to dislike him.

Go figure...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 08:00 PM
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21. It's his West Point
Class ring, but he had the only thing his real father left him.....a diamond which he had mounted into the ring.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 07:20 PM
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20. Clark in Chicago on Sunday
General Wesley K. Clark will attend a fundraiser hosted by www.illinoisforclark2004.com and “C” Company’s Chicago chapter on Sunday, November 23 at 4:00 PM, at the Rock Bottom Brewery, One West Grand Ave., in Chicago. Recommended contribution to attend this event is $75.00. Please RSVP by e-mailing: rsvp@illinoisforclark2004.com. A copy of the invite as well as a contribution form is available at: http://www.illinoisforclark2004.com/downloads/1123rockbottom.pdf. We ask that you bring the contribution form with you. We look forward to seeing on Sunday!
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