I'll tell you why the other candidates hit Dean so hard at the debates

It is because when he is attacked he looks rattled, nervous and insecure. In short, Dean looks a little scruffy and a little bit nutty. His attempts to laugh off these attacks seem hypocritical in light of his history of attacking fellow Dems on everything from the IWR to their 2002 election strategy.

Dean's anti-resolution stance came late and why should anyone vote against a Dem just because they were members of the losing party in 2000 and 2002? Is Kerry, who won a 4th term in a landslide in '02 to be held responsible for Gephardt's Rose Garden appearance? Please.

The debates have stopped Dean cold. Despite enormous, Rove influenced media attention, Dean's poll numbers in early primary states remain unchanged from 3 months ago.

The internet is not our nominee, but a man who can take down Bush and attract wide spread support in the GE ought to be.

www.toughenough.org

and here I was thinking it was because he is the frontrunner. Silly me. :shrug:

I'm even sillier.

10 pt gain in NH and the 11 pt gain in IA :bounce:

Zogby had Dean ahead by 6 in IA last September and 21 in NH
Other recent polls are similar if or show a Gep lead and Kerry behind by the low teens in NH.


What bounce?

He's up by 10 in NH since AUG

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/dem/

and the most recent IA has him at 32- previous polls from different services, had him at 20-22

http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1538059&nav=5ZinJIpA

Sure Zogby had him ahead but his lead is growing along with the % of the vote.

A bonus! Up 8pts since summer to take the lead in the IR/Cook nat'l-

http://www.dailykos.com/

Saying he's in a stall is as credible as saying he peaked too soon.

would it not?

And that needs to be exposed. They need to do a better job though.

I'm a democrat who is easy to get along with, and if I can't listen to his lies I just can't understand how anyone else can. At first I just thought he was stupid when he maintained he was the only candidate to vote against the IWR, especially since he's never held a seat in Congress, but now I just think he regards everyone else as stupid.

and have noted them, along with his inconsistencies, ever since.

Oh, yeah, I guess you can conclude he isn't a liar.

Your spin just twists my knickers, not the reality of the situation.

but even I know that this isn't spin. It's just a bold-faced lie to say he is the only candidate who has been consistently against this. Not spin - just the facts.

How are they going to nail Bush?

Obviously, he has been nailed.

Exactly how I figure it too. Whatever candidate can expose Dean can beat Bush.

Dean vs. Bush, liar vs. liar, that'll be interesting. Who wins? The biggest liar. Won't it be grand?

Will be the one who exposes the other as a liar.

Of course, I don't believe Dean is a liar. That path is a tempting one, but in the end, it only works if you can get the public-at-large to buy into it. So far they haven't. If Kerry believes calling Dean a liar will win him the election, then by all means, he should pursue that course of action. But he isn't. I believe he knows it is a sucker's choice to take that path as it opens up over scrutinization of his own record and does nothing to defeat Bush and everything to defeat the Democrats as a whole.

Dean's numbers continue to grow nationally with him leading in EVERY poll and Kerry dropping in every poll nationally.

On the state level Dean's lead in NH keeps growing and is much larger than it was three months ago. IA, he has reversed a deficit and is now in the lead with his largest percentages ever there. He leads Kerry in MA by anywhere between three and nine points. He has taken recent leads in NJ and NY as well as holding leads in MI and other key states. He also shows with 25% in NC and is second place to Gephardt in MO.

Where do you get this crap?

and keep him standing still...

he'll be polling in the mid 70s before the end of the year.

first they said he peaked. then they said he was unelectable. then they said he was losing support. if this keeps up, they'll be calling him "Mr. President."

"why should anyone vote against a Dem just because they were members of the losing party in 2000 and 2002?"

I am extremely distressed by the Dean bashing that never lets up at DU. Here's an excuse .. just think what 'rove' will do to him ..

If you put yourselves on the same level as 'rove', I don't see why any "democrat" should support your candidate.

What Dean represents is Change .. and I don't think even the democratic party, as represented by DU members, is ready for that.

You might want to pick up a copy of Victor Frankl's _Man's Search For Meaning_. Get a good look inside the work camps in Germany. The worst part was never knowing when their inprisonment would end (sound familiar?). Complete dehumanization. If they tried to stop someone from committing suicide, it was an instant death sentence. Just prepare yourself for where we are headed after the democratic party destroys itself over the GD 2004 election.