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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:09 AM
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Check your "political compass" against the candidates.....
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ is a website with a series of questions to determine your economic and social political leanings. I originally was made aware of this site by a post here on DU some months ago. I retook the test for kicks and noticed that they had performed the test (by proxy) for the 2004 candidates:



I have been supporting Dean & Clark, but my own compass puts me in the Left/Libertarian quadrant.... with Kucinich and Sharpton!

Hmmmmmmm....

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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:31 AM
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2. Here's where I land:
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

I'm even more Liberal than Al Sharpton!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:37 AM
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3. I'm past Dennis
to the west and south both, but I still love him anyway, :^)
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:37 AM
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4. I'm comfortable
:bounce:

Kucinich for President
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Uncle Diggy Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:06 AM
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12. Interesting
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

:hippie:
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:36 PM
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23. Welcome to DU!
I love your sig line! Where did you get it?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:11 AM
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13. I am like negative 7-8 on libertarian and left
:D which is awesome, sigh though, I am an extremeist even by British standards, no wonder I have felt feelings of wanting to leave. Sigh :(.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:39 AM
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6. John..dont feel too bad
I was more extreme than most British standards as well. This is why I think most Kunnich followers and person with open minds are having a hard time with the moral dilemma with some of the canidates rhetoric.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:42 AM
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8. I would be unelectable lol
Yeah thats tough for me as an idealist, I know some people as left of me or lefter who are more willing to give in to more moderates but I dont know, I just cant get to pysched up, like I'll be willing to support the nominee, and I will likely register as a democrat when I turn 18 but sigh idealism is where its at.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:16 AM
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17. Me too
7.6 and 7.8 left-libertarian.
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begeegs Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:13 AM
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14. Options
Really gives you alot of options on what to vote for.

So many different views and takes on issues - NOT!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:39 AM
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5. give specific examples
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:14 AM
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15. OTOH, GWB is definitely the worst point on the chart. nt
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begeegs Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:26 AM
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1. Bush...
Shouldn't even be on the chart, unless there were answers like

E) I don't give a fuck - give me the campaign money!
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:15 AM
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16. Three things are kinda telling here:
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 10:22 AM by slavkomae
1) * isn't very much distinguished from the cluster of Dem candidates;
2) Most Dem candidates are closer to * then they are to the "left wing" of their party, with Kucinich and Sharpton;
3) The "center of gravity" for the major Dem candidates is in the Authoritarian Right quadrant. Isn't Dem party supposed to be the libertarian left alternative to the GOP?

Tells a lot about the state of American politics today, though nothing we didn't already know.

On Edit: What this graph fails to account for is that the Dem candidates aren't part of the junta, whatever their ideology. If somebody had the same political ideology as Tony Soprano, that doesn't mean they wouldn't make a better president than he would.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:42 AM
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7. Slavkomae..hmm..I was thinking that as well
but that is why Rev Sharpton is telling people it is time to get the elected people that are elephants that are in donkey suits out of office.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:55 AM
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10. I was thinking that too.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 11:11 AM by BlueEyedSon
It is my belief (fantasy?) that even though close on the chart - at least in the same quadrant - Dean or Clark would run the country much differently than Bush.

So I asked myself "self, what is the difference between the Auth/Right Dems and Bush which THIS CHART IS NOT MEASURING?"

I'm not entirely sure, but maybe it's not something political at all. Could it be:

Net worth?
Honesty?
Greed?
Religious wingnutiness?

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:17 AM
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18. When I took it I was in the lower left quad as well...but
I want shrub out! So I support Clark.

I do find it interesting that Dean is actually to the slightly to the right of Clark.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:53 AM
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9. Dean is also to the Right of
Kerry and Gep...another reason I find his support among anyone calling themselves progressive a mystery. But not to single out Dean, as someone else said, the most interesting thing is that ALL the major the Dem candidates are in that upper right quadrant. Some choices the Dems give us...
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:57 AM
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11. My letter to politicalcompass.com
I especially like the "US Primaries" page, which is new since my last visit. The chart illustrates that the "coordinates" of political thought across the two US parties are actually quite tightly grouped, mostly in the "Authoritarian/Right" quadrant (the notable exceptions are Kucinich and Sharpton). I was quite surprised to see how far my own coordinates are from my favored candidates!

Potential independent candidate Ralph Nader has suggested that the US has become a one-party nation. It would be interesting to add
Nader's results to your graph for comparison. For slightly more clarity you could color the points by party - red, blue and green.

I am interested in politics, and not an operative for Mr. Nader.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:28 PM
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19. I've believed that for a long time
Especially since the 70s, when the Dems have tracked further and further to the right on several key "Democratic" issues.

In a rush to appeal to the "money", this party has all but sold its soul to some mythical "moderate center". However, if you look at the position of the parties these days, you'll soon realize that both parties are mostly right-wing at this stage, and that "moderate center" is actually at the left side of the Democratic Party!

Despite the right-wing propagande that Americans are basically "conservative", we still have some very liberal leanings. For example, 70% of this nation supports a government-run single-payer health insurance plan (50% of Republicans, even!), yet only a handful of our candidates have positions that support this plan. Most Americans are still very liberal on economic issues (taxes, supporting public schools, spending $$ to improve infrastructure, corporate handouts, etc.), yet we still select so-called "moderates" whose economic policies have more in common with Wall Street than Main Street.

IMHO, this is also the reason why many potential (possibly former?) Democratic voters have stayed home over the last 15 years. Our candidates are not much different from the Repubs on several key issues (death penalty, drug war, the economy), so why should they bother voting for a Dem if s/he will only sell them out and won't fight for them in the end?

If this party really wants to win again, it needs to move back to the political center, which is currently on its left. Talk about the pocketbook issues that Democrats have always won on. This is how we won elections in the past, and this is how we can win them again.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:34 PM
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24. Unless they took the test themselves
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 08:35 PM by Jerseycoa
I don't see the candidates' positions as necessarily accurate. It would be subjective and dependent on who chose the answers, I would think.

I'm with Dennis and Nelson!
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:52 PM
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20. Economic -8.12, Libertarian/Authoritarian -6.92
I was suprised at how "law and order" I turned out to be! I expected to be at least at -8 on the lib/auth scale. Maybe I'm getting "conservative" in my old age???

HA!!! I doubt that. I'm actually more economically/socially liberal than I was in college 15 years ago. Hard to believe but true. I guess that's what eight years of Clinton does to a moderate/liberal Democrat, huh?
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:26 PM
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21. Damn, I'm right there close to Kucinich and Sharpton...
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 02:27 PM by MrWiggles
Eventually I'd like to see the direction in this country changing from the Bush towards Kucinich/Sharpton scale. But to get there I believe we have to take some baby steps.

I woundn't mind reaching stopping by Edwards, Clark, or Kerry before getting there. :-)


Edit to add my results:

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13
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efront Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 02:35 PM
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22. - 5.0 and -3.28 for me
I'm suprised to see most of the candidates in the upper right quadrant.
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:16 PM
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25. YEEHAW Eugene Debbs would be proud
-8.88 and a -7.23
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:36 PM
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26. I took the test for Clark
inserting his positions as I know them. I got:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90

I only used 'strongly agree/disagree' a few times.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:37 PM
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27. Economic Left/Right: -6.38/Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13 (nt)
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 02:07 PM
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38. (-8.12,-5.79) mine.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-03 02:09 PM by ozone_man
Over with Ghandi and the Dalai Lama, I guess.

I think last time it was much shorter, no? Also, I thought Dean and Clark were slightly on the left of center last time? Who decides what candidate positions are?

On edit: Nevermind, I answered my own question.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:35 PM
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28. I'm about where Kucinich and Sharpton are
-4.50 and -5.03

Thanks for the test BlueEyedSon
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:32 AM
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29. *kick*
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:56 AM
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30. I'm a left/libertarian.
A little further left and south of Gandhi. And Dennis and Sharpton.

I'm voting for Kucinich; so I'm voting for one of the candidates who most closely matches my position.
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TheReligiousLeft Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:17 PM
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31. I'm -5.25, -3.79
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79
I'm a Kerry/Dean/Clark/CMB supporter, so I don't know what all this says about me. Maybe I'm a... a... a sell out?
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:33 PM
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32. interesting
i'm -8.38 economic left/right

and -6.05 libertarian/authoritarian

looks like none of us would make good little lock-step repukes!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:13 PM
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33. Seeing the candidates
on the authoritorian right is pretty scary, is that accurate?



Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46
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thentro Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 01:24 PM
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34. how did you get that??
I pull Clark at Left on Econ -.05 and Libertarian a -2.92.
And I feel I know a whole lot about Clark.
(I was -3.12 and -4.46)

And I imagine if I did the same for Dean et al I would find them all more left than you did.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 02:15 PM
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35. Those are done by the site...
based on actual positions, statements and history I believe.

TWL
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 03:10 PM
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36. Just where I thought
Edited on Sun Dec-07-03 03:12 PM by Tinoire
Southwest of them all, Ghandi included. Extreme Left Libertarian

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

I kind of knew my answer on spanking children would land me more to the right but sigh...
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 04:14 PM
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37. I took one of these months ago-
that put me right smack next to the Dalai Lama. Farther left that DK.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 02:54 PM
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39. I think that blew it for me too,
Not that I was trying for a perfect score or anything. ;-)

I doubt we could elect someone with our coordinates, but DK looks to be the closest match, if this is accurate.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 04:16 PM
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40. My rating
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

I'm closest to Sharpton and Kucinich on the chart...

but out of the electable candidates I'm closest to Kerry, then Clark, then Dean, then Gephardt, then Lieberman, then Edwards (although I'd definitely flip Edwards and Lieberman around).
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