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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 PM
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Kieth Olbermann lies re Nafta to smear Hillary and protect Obama - again
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 PM by papau
I know I should be used to MSNBC bias against Hillary - but KO was my hero for so long and it is sad that my hero is just another part of the Obama campaign to smear Hillary.


A Canadian paper printed a story that Keith lied about saying it showed Hillary was the person that contacted Canada re ignoring comments re NAFTA.

The Canadian government does not say Hillary did anything - an un-named"source" says "everyone" heard "it" but we do not know what they heard or the name of anyone saying they heard anything.

Could a RW reporter being trying to help the GOP defeat Hillary by lying and spinning to get the weaker Obama elected? Could Kieth have joined Tweety in the GE/NBC screw the Dems by pushing the weaker candidate game?

KO took this story and ran with it as if it was true - but then KO has been biased for Obama for a long time and his telling this lie just fits with his past actions. Indeed on the show he also could not name the source of the story tonight - the "who heard it" - but that did not stop him.

Here is the Globe's write up:

"He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.

They said that Mr. Brodie sought to allay concerns about the impact of Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton's assertion that they would re-negotiate NAFTA if elected. But they did say that Mr. Brodie had no recollection of discussing any specific candidate — either Ms. Clinton or Mr. Obama."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wharpleak0305/BNStory/National/home

If you can find a way the above says the Obama did not lie about not having a meeting with Canada re Nafta, or that the memo of that meeting did not say that Obama was about to lie so to not worry about what Obama would be saying, or that the speaker Mr. Brodie says he said anything about Hillary saying anything about NAFTA to anyone in Canada, please do tell me.

Another Obama smear of Hillary, aided by RW reporting in Canadian media, and aided by the MSNBC smear Clinton programs. But you can bet that the US media will tell us tomorrow how positive and clean the campaign of the Obama supporters has been - compared to those nasty negative throw the kitchen sink supporters of Hillary.

Obama has bought the support of the GOP media with his campaign proposal of a corporate tax cut and less regulation of business - and it shows even on Countdown.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:21 PM
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1. Were there any trade agreements President Clinton didn't like? nt
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 PM
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2. If you're against the truth being spoken, then Keith isn't your hero
Keith has been VERY tough on Obama and everyone else. The fact of the matter is Hillary Clinton has
gone way over the line now. Olbermann was completely on the money in calling her out about it. He's
already stated his affection for the Clintons, but HRC's behavior has been ludicrous.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 PM
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5. nonsense - re the Globe story - find what justifies his story - re Obama -read his comments
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:27 PM
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8. I HAVE read the story and the backwork on the matter -- Clinton lied
Obama has lied, too, about other things. But it's very clear that Hillary Clinton's own organization
was behind the initial contact and they lied about it afterward. It's among the most shameful political
missteps I've ever seen. She must have Karl Rove on staff.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:29 PM
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12. OK - please quote what words say that "Clinton lied" and have a named source
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:32 PM
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16. It's not my job to inform your ignorance -- go read the material yourself
If you're making an assertion based solely on emotion, than your input is without value anyway.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:35 PM
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19. LOL - I take it you have no information and are just asserting crap to smear Hillary-Obama in 08 :-)
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 PM
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22. No, it's obvious you have no information and are doing the usual begging for info route
If you can't be bothered to inform yourself before you make comments, I don't want to read yours.
Welcome to my ignore list.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 PM
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3. That's BS
On the video tape Brodie says he talked to the Clinton campaign
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:31 PM
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14. He does not say that Clinton told him to ignore her comments re ending NAFTA
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 PM
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4. HAHA - Obama joined Kerry's legislation to STOP BIG MEDIA . You just made that shit up
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:26 PM by blm
about less regulation of media. Obama's been working with Kerry to STOP BIG MEDIA from increasing its grip consistently since joining the senate.

Kerry, Obama to FCC Chairman Martin: Delay Consolidation Vote, Investigate Minority and Women Media Ownership - or Place FCC Funding in Jeopardy
Friday, December 14, 2007
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: December 14, 2007
CONTACTS: Liz Richardson (Kerry) or Michael Ortiz (Obama)

WASHINGTON D.C. - Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), and Barack Obama (D-Ill.) asked Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin to delay a vote on media ownership until the FCC has followed the will of Congress and established a commission to look into minority and women media ownership. Kerry and Obama made clear that if Martin once again bucked the Congress, they would ask the Appropriations Committee to deny funding for implementation of the rule produced by the forced vote.

“This is a show-down with an FCC Chairman who is letting the FCC do the bidding of big corporate conglomerates without giving smaller media outlets a chance to fight back,” said Senator John Kerry. “I want to thank Sen. Obama for joining with me to help hold the FCC accountable, and ensuring that it promotes a more diverse, independent media in America.”

“We must ensure that we have an open media market that represents all of the voices in our diverse nation, and allows them to be heard,” said Senator Obama. “The FCC must meet its obligations to our country’s minority communities and not special interests by ensuring that broadcasters are doing right by the communities they operate in before it considers loosening media ownership regulations. I reiterate my call to the FCC to conduct its rules changes in a transparent and inclusive process, respect minority interests, and delay its upcoming vote until further evaluations are completed.”

Earlier this month, the Commerce Committee sent Chairman Martin a message with its unanimous approval of a bill that would require Chairman Martin to address the state of minority and women ownership as well as localism before acting on larger media ownership rules. By moving forward with Tuesday’s vote, Chairman Martin is directly contradicting the will of Congress.

Senators Kerry and Obama sent a similar letter urging the FCC to act on this issue in July, 2006.

Earlier this month, the Commerce Committee sent Chairman Martin a message with its unanimous approval of a bill that would require Chairman Martin to address the state of minority and women ownership as well as localism before acting on larger media ownership rules. By moving forward with Tuesday’s vote, Chairman Martin is directly contradicting the will of Congress.

Below is the text of the letter:

December 14, 2007

The Honorable Kevin J. Martin
Chairman
Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street SW
Washington, DC 20554

Dear Chairman Martin:

Your testimony before the Senate Commerce Committee on December 13, 2007 restates your intention to move forward aggressively with a proposal that would relax media ownership rules with respect to the Newspaper/Broadcast Cross-Ownership Rule. We reiterate our call from July of last year and in various forums over the last two months for you to delay this vote for a period of time sufficient for the Commission to examine the status of minority and women media ownership in the United States, and to establish a policy to effectively address the need to promote greater diversity in media markets.

With respect to this issue, the intent of the Senate Commerce Committee was made clear with its decision to unanimously report S. 2332, the Media Ownership Act of 2007. Section 2 of this bill would require the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to establish and convene an independent panel to make recommendations for specific rules to increase the representation of women and minorities in the ownership of broadcast media. The bill further states that the FCC must act on the panel's recommendations before voting on any changes to its broadcast and newspaper ownership rules.

We recognize the widespread animosity aimed at the direction of the Commission regarding Tuesday’s scheduled vote. We understand that for a variety of reasons you are being asked to postpone the vote to permit more time for the Commission to fully understand how a relaxation in the Cross-Ownership Rule will impact other important issues such as localism. It is our hope that the sum of these objections will convince you to delay this vote until a time following the Commission’s consideration of other pressing matters. Specifically, we believe that moving forward with this change will have a direct and detrimental impact on the state of media diversity. Should you decide to move forward with this vote against the expressed bipartisan, bicameral intent of Congress, we will approach Appropriations Chairman Byrd with a request that funds be denied for the implementation of this rule.
Thank you for your consideration. Should you have any questions regarding this request, please do not hesitate to contact any of us at any time.

Sincerely,

Sen. John Kerry
Sen. Barack Obama

Kerry and Obama co-sponsored a bill that would require the FCC to have a 90-day comment period on any proposed media-ownership rule changes and to conduct a separate proceeding on localism with another 90-day comment period. The bill also requires the FCC to convene an independent panel to make recommendations regarding specific rules to increase women and minority ownership of broadcast media. The FCC would be required to act on the panel’s recommendations prior to voting on changes to broadcast ownership regulations. The bill was sponsored by Senator Dorgan, and also cosponsored by Senators Lott, Feinstein, Cantwell and Snowe.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:27 PM
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9. Obama says less regulation of corporations and lower tax - read about Obama's positions - the media
consolidation was from 400 to 12 in 96

The Clinton bill - which I opposed - allowed that to drop to 6 corporations controlling just about everything on a percentage of eyeballs basis.

The Kerry bill dealt with those 6 companies - that were not about to merge - and was 10 years later - and in a Congress that was not about to pass it.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 PM
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6. How could business possibly be less regulated than it is now?
Did that jackass really put that out as a position?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:29 PM
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13. Obama joined Kerry's efforts against big media and papau is spinning.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:32 PM
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17. Does anyone every read Obama's "Patriot Bill" - there's a tax cut for corporations
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 PM
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23. Kerry had a tax cut for small business in his platform, too. The BIG corporations
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 PM by blm
and especially BIG MEDIA were not targeted for big taxcuts as the smaller corporations were.

Do you have any specifics to make your charge that Big MEDIA has been promised big tax cuts freom Obama in return for favorable coverage?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:41 PM
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24. Show us the specifics of big taxcuts promised for big media, papau.
And have you informed Rupert Murdoch that Obama wants to cut his taxes?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:26 PM
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7. Olbermann likes to run with stories that have an ironic twist.
However, that one was a moronic twist.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:28 PM
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10. So he disagrees with you so he's a "moron" after everything he has done against Bush?
Ah, how soon they fall over for their heroes.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:31 PM
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15. As if there was any facts behind it at all. The guy spent 10 minutes
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:32 PM by The_Casual_Observer
bellowing in full baritone Murrow about a story that was dubious at best. He has become a parody of himself.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:33 PM
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18. I think it was among his best moments -- he told the truth even though his softer viewers hate it
The intelligent ones will stay with him. All he has lost is the Democratic Lite brigade.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:35 PM
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20. It was basically a lie.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:40 PM by The_Casual_Observer
I'd say the lite ones are all about shitting on the Clintons.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:28 PM
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11. true - I was trying to give him a pass 'cause of his joy in irony - but this was nuts
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 PM
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21. Report: NAFTA-Gate Leaker Said Hillary's People Were Reassuring Canada, Too
TPM

The NAFTA-Gate controversy has taken another turn, one that could potentially boomerang back on Hillary Clinton after initially damaging Barack Obama.


The Canadian Press — Canada's domestic equivalent of the AP — is reporting that the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And as it turns out, Brodie's original conversation with reporters focused much more on Hillary as the candidate whose people were reassuring Canada that the anti-trade rhetoric was all just campaign talk.

"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the Embassy to take it with a grain of salt," said one participant in the conversation. The source added, "someone called us and told us not to worry."

Hillary's people were able to use NAFTA-Gate very effectively in questioning Obama's honesty in the Ohio and Texas campaigns, ultimately pulling off some decent wins. But if this thing doesn't die down, and the focus turns from Obama over to Hillary, they could very well see the story come back to bite them.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/report_naftagate_leaker_said_h.php


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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:55 PM
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26. You need to add Lanny Davis along with Marshall Wittless I mean Wittman
to you Clinton-Lieberman logo. And maybe Al From too.
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:44 PM
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25. Obama the weaker candidate?
In just about every poll,every poll Ive seen, Obama does better than Clinton in a match up against McCain.

Its getting harder to tell the difference between some Clinton supporters and republicans with all the blaming of the media.
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