Are Bush and Stalin Different? - Democratic Underground

Amerpie

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:26 PM
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Are Bush and Stalin Different?

As a legal concept, can someone explain the difference between George W. Bush's "enemy combatant" and Josef Stalin's "enemy of the people"? I don't think there is one: In each case, a national leader on his own, without courts, without laws, without clear definitions, dreams up a label and his government then applies it to certain people -- and then they're gone.

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JuniorPlankton

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:29 PM
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1. Stalin's actions were mostly aimed at the citizens of the SU

Bush does his stuff to foreigners (mostly). Americans don't care about foreigners. (Unless they want to pretend freeing the Iraqi people.)

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Amerpie

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:32 PM
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3. Jose Padilla

Well, I'll agree that Bush doesn't do much to citizens of the USSR, but there's this guy down in the brig at Charleston Naval Base named Jose Padilla...

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JuniorPlankton

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:36 PM
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4. Yes, that's what I meant by mostly

But * didn't get to Stalin's scale yet (millions of people)
He is well upon his way conceptually.

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Amerpie

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:48 PM
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5. Actually

Since Iraq vs. Vietnam contrasts are all the rage these days, it's interesting to note that more troops have died in Iraq than had died in Vietnam in the same amount of time.

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Nikia

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Thu Apr-08-04 01:29 PM
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2. Just semantics

Only semantics, but that's how poli-tic(k)s are. They suck blood from wherever they can however they can and try to keep control of their source of power, usually that's a big sign of the BAD leaders though.

When brave men do nothing...

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Dark

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Thu Apr-08-04 10:58 PM
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6. Stalin didn't do cocaine.

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amber dog democrat

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Thu Apr-08-04 11:26 PM
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7. Chimp does not have Beria or the Lubyanka yet.

We don't have the type of massive arrests and executions as done by the NKVD yet.

We don't have a single party that dominates local politics yet ot all power and authority centralized into one bureaucratic authoritarian system.... yet

Also Stalin studied to be a priest at first.

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MonicaR

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Thu Apr-08-04 11:51 PM
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8. We don't have concentration camps in Alaska..

Yet....

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Amerpie

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Fri Apr-09-04 05:28 AM
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9. Concentration Camps

Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 05:29 AM by Amerpie

We only have concentration camps in Cuba and at various INS centers around the country.

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amber dog democrat

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Fri Apr-09-04 07:48 AM
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10. But we did have them in WWII

For Japanese - Americn families.

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James T. Kirk

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Thu Apr-15-04 09:43 PM
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11. Historical info

Josef Stalin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

Enemy of the people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people

Gulag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

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James T. Kirk

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Thu Apr-15-04 09:48 PM
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12. History of "illegal combatants" in USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_combatant

The American legal definition of this dates back to World War II.

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cornfedyank

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Mon Apr-19-04 11:58 PM
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13. they should call this thing GORT

Edited on Tue Apr-20-04 12:00 AM by cornfedyank

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4779727/

what do you think stalin would do with that?

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cornfedyank

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Tue Apr-20-04 08:08 AM
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14. klaatu barada nikto n/t

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