Bush, you are SO impeached!

Anybody else remember that wretched Starr report that we were all exposed to IN THE MAINSTREAM NEWSPAPERS FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD. Remember how, before that, a lot of us were kind of embarrassed by Clinton's behavior but thought too big a deal was being made of the whole thing?

So the Republicans got their shorts all in a bunch and said that this absolutely WAS a big deal, and William Bennett even wrote a book called The Death of Outrage.

Anybody else think that lying about WMD might be just a teensy bit worse than that? Why hasn't Bush been impeached yet? Wait--don't answer that! Let's just do it now. I took a look at the Impeach Bush web site for the first time in a while. (http://www.votetoimpeach.org)

They have updated their "Articles of Impeachment", and they are in printable pdf format so that we can make sure people who aren't online see them as well. Also, we have a collection of printable Impeach Bush posters at The Peace Pretzel (http://protest.bmgbiz.net)

Considering 99.9999999999% of the American public doesnt care enough to know this stuff.......

As Jerry Seinfeld would say: "Good luck with allllll, that"

So you are suggesting we just roll over? Come on little Who, don't be a shirker. We're all on this dust speck, but they can hear us if we all make noise at once. Yell out a nice, strong "Yop!"

The Horton Hears a Who Reference doesn't do it for you? How about this--yes, it's easier and in some ways less painful to just give up, but you are guaranteeing that they continue to walk all over us.
Now Dubya is announcing that he considers the matter closed.

No, George. The accused does *not* get to decided when it's over. There needs to be a real investigation. Remember all those people in congress who insisted that we *had* to impeach Clinton, because we can't teach our kids that some lies are okay?

http://www.votetoimpeach.org
http://protest.bmgbiz.net

I know I posted this somewhere else, but in case anyone missed it, here it is again. It's from the Declaration of Independance. What you are saying has been said before, and somehow still holds true.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

that everyone's afraid of being called unpatriotic un-American if they dare criticize Bush while the nation is at war let alone call for his impeachment

well he's just going to keep us at war and never let that go!

we're in a political-military quagmire that's going to end up costing us $87billion and 2+ years of involvment because Rumsfeld had a brain fart.

When some oil obsessed freak turns the world upside down like a maniac and destroys thousands of American lives to do it, Americans do not mind at all as long as we can buy that oil.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

Bush is a LIAR. Say it loud. Say it proud. Bush Is A Liar. Every time someone you know defends this man, just ask them how they can defend a liar, a murder, and a thief.

He’s a Liar because of…well, pick any number of hundreds of things he said but be current so let’s say the Uranium claim, which was widely known to be false almost 6 months prior to the State of the Union.

He’s a murder because of all the thousands of women and children that were needlessly killed in operation Iraqi Oil Grab. Our death toll rises by the day. This was and is unjustifiable. Those deaths, all that blood is on Bush’s hands directly. He is a murder.

He’s a thief because the Carlyle group which his father and Jim Baker have large shares in stands to make tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars off Oil reserves in and around the middle east and military equipment manufacturing for our campaign of perpetual peace by perpetual war.

No one has benefited more from Sept. 11 than Bush. Bush is a traitor to this nation and the constitution describes the penalties that are to be enacted on a traitor. The tide is turning and Bush will soon be drowned.

The Truth will crucify him!

What's that qoute from? I recognize it.

Me and Bobby McGee, I think

Written by Kris Kristofferson & popularized by Janis Joplin, as someone was kind enough to point out to me on these boards the other day after I had mistakenly credited it to Joplin.

Cheney Energy Task Force papers from March, 2001 finally released: mapping out Iraq oilfields


http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1074&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0






These articles are about the FBI invading privacy


http://www.boulderweekly.com/coverstory.html
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-07-17/rant.html

Where is this information in the mainstream press?

If it is found this task force was discussing Iraqi oil fields then people should go to jail. The connections between the Energy Task Force, 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq would be too much to overcome.

This could destroy the Republican Party and their radical, fascist exploitative philosophy. I dream of the day the most right-wing Senator is Lincoln Chaffee. At that point we could all rest easy.

If this story grows legs and has a real chance, the Democratic nomination will win in 2004 and the Dems will do damage in both houses.

Other than the chance of taking power away from these bastards, the fact they did this…putting lives at risk, killing people, lying to the American people GODDMAN BETTER MAKE more people outraged.

And people still worship these guys?!

Bush lied to the American people (not to mention the world) about the war in Iraq. Clinton had an intern give him head. Now which is worse?????? It really disgusts me when these neo-con's continously state that having s*x in the oval office is worse than lying about a war where American soldiers and Iraqi's get killed really baffles me. Every time I hear it I laugh out loud. just like every time I watch FOX news. Just for the laughs. (And to see what Bush is up to next).

Americanreborn

a simple case of impeachment. These boyz neeed to be locked up for their crimes. Get them off the streets.

I'm from Texas. Hell the have to take me seriously. So where's our version of Star? Boy this is gona be cool, I'll go make some popcorn. :-)

It's not going anywhere. dubya has declared the matter closed. The "liberal media" will roll over and play dead for him just like they've been doing all along. The sonofabitch is going to have to kill someone right in front of a group of reporters before they'll ever go after him. They're afraid of being labeled anti-American.

A sure sign that we are becoming a fascist nation.

The president said to the nation that the mission was to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons program; that Saddam must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons; we've got to act now and we can't allow Iraq to be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months and not years.

The only problem is that the president who said those things to the nation was Clinton back in 1998 on the day he bombed Iraq, but there was no call to impeach. Was Clinton also lying about WMD or had Hussein given up the weapons program after that? Please enlighten me, as I was not in America yet at that time, and am very confused about this inconsistency.

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***************BEFORE YOU READ PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT I DID NOT MEAN THIS POST TO BE DISRUPTIVE, I MERELY WANTED TO INITIATE AN HONEST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPEACH MOVEMENT AMONG THESE BOARDS THAT I HAVE READ SO INTENTLY OVER THE YEARS, THIS IS MY FIRST MAJOR POST AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSES AND ENGAGING IN MORE OF THE DEBATE HERE******************************************************************

As much as I despise our leaders lying to us, and as much as I would NEVER vote for the man (didn't in 2000, wont in 2004), what he did with the war in Iraq is simply not am impeachable offense.

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of , Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Lying in the State of the Union Address is not illegal, President Clinton, for all of his merits lied under oath to a Grand Jury and thus committed felony perjury, an impeachable offense. Whether or not he was backed into a corner my his political opponents is a matter for the historians and political scientists. However, in my field, (law, granted it is military law, but still...) there is no doubt that President Clinton committed a crime and was caught and therefore had committed an impeachable offense.

President Bush, on the other hand, has yet to have a truly impeachable charge SURFACE (but I'm not saying that one won't). I perused the website, which makes good points about the intent and reasoning of impeachment, but falls short on the actual charges that it makes, I'll examine a few here:

"1. Ordering and directing "first strike" war of aggression against Afghanistan causing thousands of deaths;
2. Removing the government of Afghanistan by force and installing a government of his choice;
4. Authorizing, ordering and condoning attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable;
6. Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming his personal intention to change its government by force;"
Both actions outside the realm of US Law, which is the only law that the US Senate is allowed to try a person under.

"3. Authorizing daily intrusions into Iraqi airspace and aerial attacks including attacks on alleged defense installations in Iraq which have killed hundreds of people in time of peace;"
Actions which began in the waning days of George I, and was continued all thoroughout the Clinton years with increased vigor. Also under international law.

"5. Threatening the use of nuclear weapons and ordering preparation for their use;"
A tactic used by every cold war president with the possible exception of Ford and Carter. Hardly a notable distinction, and also a matter of international law.

"7. Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, murder, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners;
8. Authorizing, ordering and condoning violations of rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eight Amendments to the Constitution"
The prosoners in question are not American citizens and are not granted the protection of any of the amendments to the constitution. This is a matter of Geneva Convention Articles, also out of the jurisdiction of the Senate.

"and of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and other international protections of human rights;"
All non-enforcable agreements to which citizens of the United States are not legally bound. The only body equipped to convict for such violations is the ICC, of which the United States is not a member and therefore is not subject to.

"9. Authorizing, directing and condoning bribery and coercion of individuals and governments to obtain his war ends;"
The only truly promising charge on the site, if enough evidence exists to prove this statement than the Articles of Impeachment could be justifiably brought up in the House.

"10. Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda and concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment to create a climate of fear and hatred and destroy opposition to his war goals"
See Above

As it stands now, the case for impeachment is about as thin as the case for WMD's in Iraq, therefore the only thing to do is wait it out and simply demand a change in leadership in '04 speak at the ballot box and "GO, BOB, GO".

Shalom,
L.R.

but after the last political message board (different site), I'm afraid to comment (being the stupid, ignorant, anti-government, moron that I am)

Man I put all that thought into my first post and noone reads it :(

Shalom

Until someone finds that, there will not be an impeachment.

Surely, someone is going to step forward some day and show that he commited perjury (in the legal sense) or committed some other crime that can be prosecuted. When that happens, impeachment will follow . . . at least an attempt to impeach will follow.

Halliburton/ Carlysle preference, in exchange for interest in the company.

Not the most juicy impeachment point, but it's the easiest to prove.

the concept of preventative war. The same concept used by nazi germany to justify invading poland.

I felt for the guy and I had to watch every minute of the TV reports..how embarrassing being caught out on a b/j. Hilary roling her eyes and all.

But I did think.."wow, America's actually got a NORMAL president. how cool !"

www.funkyrailroad.com and click GEORGE W

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Is that Bill Clinton's personal affairs were broadcast all over the world, and Republicans said it was necessary. But when a non-documentary piece of art about Ronald Reagan is to be aired, they cry bloody murder.

there will be no move toward impeachment, no consequences for Bush.

It's as simple as that.

Do not delude yourselves into thinking it will be any different.