China/India out to dominate high tech, new trade between 2

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/china.india.ap/

Hello???!!!

Those stupid stupid people with their "free trade" agenda...

how dumb is it to give away our industries and technologies to a
totalitarian regime who now publicly acknowledges a world domination strategy?

on them, did they?

And in some ways oppresive to the poor. However this situation is like the pot calling the kettle black. Let's look at the way the inner city kids are educated in this country. And don't forget the Preemptive Policy that has been adopted by this administration.

And I have no doubt that China and India are going to be major world players in the coming future. But I think China is making a big mistake in keeping their currency way undervalued. At this point in time even countries like Mexico, Ethiopia, and Eastern Europe cannot even compete with China in the low wages. And I think there is some artificial way that China is keeping those wages low.

What do the inner city kids have to do with giving away
our technology, industry and jobs to a country that is now
out to dominate globally in the very industries the US just gave away?

Just because the United States has injustices has nothing to do
with, on a macro economic scale, giving away major industries
that will take this economy to a 3rd world state.

If you're worried about the inner city youth and the injustices there,
try a total economic collapse where 95% of the children would then
live like our current inner city youth.

Is there some sort of reason that the US should give away it's technology because it's not perfect?

China has multiple documented cases of outright slavery, horrific
working conditions, no human rights, no worker rights.

but, "who is morally worse" has nothing to do with the strategy of
taking down an entire 1st world economy, namely the US and replacing
it with an Asian 1st world economy.

and got it's start in poor working conditions, no worker rights, and slavery. Still has slavery in fact.

China had paper, rockets, cannon, a civil service, the abacus, printing press etc long before America was ever heard of. All of them were then used by other nations.

Sorry, but in this instance China's high tech was built up by
US multinational corporations and US trade policies.

The high tech industry is a uniquely US innovation and through the
China PNTR a trade agreement from 1999, plus a series of other
economic conditions, China in essence got US corporations
to give over their intellecutal property, know how and even
educate their people in engineering, all for access to the Chinese
market.

And China is quite intelligent enough to do it on her own. Did so, long before you in fact.

Oh puleeze! High tech is not remotely a US innovation.

But look this country has killed something like half a million Iraqi children with the sanctions and over a hundred thousand innocent civilans since the star of this war. I don't hear any outrage from over half the population. Let's not forget how this country props up brutal dictators. The people in this country are more interested in buying a new Hummer than these issues. What do you think they deserve?

And although I am "concerned" about giving away our "technological advantage", I am MORE concerned about NOT commiting human atrocities.

And yes China is involved in slave labor but let's get our act togethor before we try and solve the worlds problems.

You guys need to have some sort of knowledge on global trade and economic policy...

the war in Iraq (a different forum) has nothing to do with the China PNTR or the WTO.

I won't talk about the Iraqi situation, but don't concern yourself with the fact that China is outright involved in slavery. The people of this country are still more interested in their Hummers and the drive through at McDonalds than giving away their technology. And until they learn to be less apathetic about everything, they are getting just what they deserve including a national an average $3/gal by this summer.....

Do I care, HELL NO.....

Always leads to resession or depression.

Fair trade is the best method. If only we can convince anti-American Americans that it could help get people out of poverty..

is...or the WTO probably.

They don't even understand that the term "free trade" has come to
mean special favor and special interest trade based on what
multinational corporations want in order to exploit global markets...

and has nothing to do with what is in the best interest of the nation
state, i.e the US.

There is nothing "free" about it, more the average American, will
suffer.

Clearly we need to get people to read and comprehend what the trade policies even say and what they do.

They don't seem to realize that these agreements increase injustice
and abuse in the US by widening the gap between the elite rich and poor
as well as reduce the overall standard of living in the US.

For at least 60,000 years -- since even before Homo sapiens reached Europe -- China and India have been the primary centers of human population, creativity, and cultural achievement.

Europe -- and particularly northern Europe -- has always been on the fringes, with only brief, intermittent periods of cultural flowering when the generally harsh climate relaxed somewhat. The last five hundred years of European dominance have been an extreme anomaly when viewed against the totality of human history.

Almost everything that makes us civilized -- from the math and science that keep our technology going to the fruits and flowers that add pleasure to our lives came out of either China or India. There is every reason to expect the historical norm to reassert itself, and probably sooner rather than later.

but then again i`m just a stupid northern european. oh well, i guess it`s where one were born that makes one is a superior intellectual

Not worth it, trust me on this........

It has existed for about 7000 years. Last time I checked the map it was not in either China or India.

i don`t know if i can find the right word or if one really exists. i`ve been on the cutting edge twice of the disinvestment in the united states. funny i was told at one time that hi-tech was the wave for me and my fellow displaced workers..big fuck`n deal. we ended up shoveling bullshit for a few pennys-that was are "reward" for our jobs going south and across the sea.

Being a technology worker. But this whole contry is apathetic and is getting what it deserves....

my son spent about 15,000 dollars of schooling just to watch his field go away...

I know many such sitations. People who were trained in CISCO are finding it hard to find jobs, plus they will become outdated soon enough.....

read your page--yup slave labor for walmart. i read in the chicago trib where an african garment factory closed because they couldn`t meet a china contractor labor cost....free trade isn`t free to those poor bastards sweating in some hole sewing clothes for walmartians to buy

is I am a "logical" person and think in terms of macro economics.

and I swear, I have yet to find any theory or any rationale that
does mean sending the US as a nation to 3rd world status as a conclusion
of these current policies...

never mind the pain to local economies and people...

It does look good for anyone in the long term...
it's more like "thieves" who comes in the night and take those
short term profits and run versus any long term economic strategy...
this includes multinationals.

'The World is Flat' by Friedman if you want to know about the economy and jobs.

Disagree with his politics all you want, but this will let you know what's going on in the world, while you are caught up in Bushwa.

There is a freight train headed straight for the west...and none of you are aware of it.

You might even learn something about outsourcing and insourcing, and formulate a useful response rather than just ranting about people taking 'your' jobs.

Friedman is a journalist and a "free traitor" pundit
and is repeatedly disavowed by real economists.

Please do not read Friedman.

Excuse me, but Paul Samuelson who is the godfather of economics
and a MIT professor has ripped, via theory i.e. proof, remember
those concepts?

--- facts, statistics and theory versus irrelevant
spurious correlations presented via random and miscellaneous facts on ancient civilizations as somehow relevant and insightful commentary on current global trade theory.

Paul Samuelson, one of the most important economics in the last 100 years has said that
outsourcing is NOT good for America...

which is the opposite of Friedman the hack, journalist with
no economics PhD or even a BS, proselytizes upon request of multinational corporations.

Take a long handled spoon when the Chinese invite you to dinner.