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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:31 PM
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http://cyberjournal.org/cj/rkm/Apocalypse_and_NWO.html

From: Apocalypse Now and the Brave New World

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Let us consider the first Horseman: Collapse. In this regard there are two primary things to consider. The first is peak oil, and the second is the oil shock of 1973.

Up until 1973, oil was treated as an inexhaustible commodity — the game was to pump as much as possible, sell it at a relatively low price, get everyone addicted to oil and automobiles, and make money on volume — lots of money. This strategy fit in perfectly with the post-World War 2 economic regime, which was based on economic growth and development. This was the era in which suburbia was invented, and rail systems were dismantled in the USA and Britain. This was a major growth phase of the economic pump, enriching banks and corporations alike. But in the early 1970s the bloom was off the growth cycle, Japan and Germany were gaining economic power, and our Anglo-American banking elites decided the time had come for an adjustment.

Using the diplomatic talents of Rockefeller protégé Henry Kissinger, our banking elites were able to stir up a war between Israel and the Arab states, engineer an oil boycott, and raise the price of oil nearly overnight by 400%. Here we can see demonstrated the power of finance, and the efficacy of the oil-dominance strategy. As intended, economic growth in Europe and Japan was sharply curtailed, and as intended, third world nations were forced to dedicate their budgets to oil imports and debt repayments, rather than to developing their own economies. We know these things were intended, because the program was discussed in some detail at a Bilderberger meeting several months before the Yom Kippur war broke out.

The price increase made exploitation of the North Sea oil sources economically viable, much to the benefit of the London banks that had invested in that project. In addition, the price increase created the petrodollar phenomenon. All in all, the oil shock of 1973 was a very successful, and well masked, coup. It ushered in an era where growth was no longer the dominant paradigm. There has been relatively little real growth in the global economy since that time, as regards industrial production and trade in goods. The banks began focusing more on debt collections, and developing the speculative global markets.

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If we consider these consequences along with the implications of the PNAC agenda, we are beginning to see the outline of the elite clique’s Final Solution to the problem of peak oil. Peak oil implies, sooner or later, a desperate global struggle for the remaining reserves: the PNAC agenda is largely about grabbing control of as many reserves as possible — now rather than later. Peak oil, in the absence of what the rest of us would call a sensible strategy, implies a general collapse of the global economy, sooner or later: this Shock of 2005 will begin that process now, while vast oil reserves still remain, so that the banking clique can manage the collapse to its own advantage. Our oil-based economy can be compared to a condemned building, and a controlled demolition makes more sense than simply letting the building rot of its own accord: this enables the owner to develop something else on the site. Similarly, if the economic collapse is brought about early, then the vast remaining oil reserves will be available for the construction of some kind of post-Apocalyptic, elite-friendly, world order...cont'd
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:40 PM
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1. I wonder how long before other DUers attack you...
You'd not be the first one.

Excellent post, BTW.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:49 PM
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2. lol! I'm counting down ....10.....9.....8....7.....
n/t
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:14 AM
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3. Good read,
A little tinfoil but that's cool.:freak:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:33 AM
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4. Why thank you Skink....Life is such that I keep my tinfoil at the ready
I don't buy this whole article, but there are some crystalizing moments that ring very true.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:51 AM
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5. There's nothing to attack. I've read this before in different forms.
DAMMIT! I wish I hadn't lost my bookmarks. Or perhaps I had heard it on some broadcast source like NPR, before the went bad.

But anyway, what this article is describing is essentially the same as I've heard before, but in slightly different terms. I've posted about it here before. That is; great social upheaval is inevitable. In order to affect the changes the neocons want, they're going to have to cause some serious shit in the "short term." It is important to remember that in global terms, "short term" is a relative term. It could last many, many years. But, as these neocons pointed out, all great changes in the evolution of societies has been accompanied by tremendous hardship.

This goes to Bush's steadfast refusal to even consider rescinding tax cuts on his power base. They're stocking their pantries. They're stocking their bank accounts. They know the really serious shit is coming in this transformation of our society they've so longed for, worked so hard for. It is coming, and the only way to survive it is to be wealthy. Very wealthy. Like, drain the treasury and lock yourself behind the compound walls to wait it out wealthy.

At the end will emerge a "new world order" which will actually be a throwback to the days of feudalism. Land barrons, people renting from them and working for them. A complete reversion to "the good old days" when all wealth was in the hands of a few, and education was for the progeny of the privileged.

A lot of us posting today may not live to see the final outcome. This is NOT something we'll solve by electing a democrat president. Even if Diebold would let us.

There is serious, serious shit coming down. Be prepared. Don't put anything -- ANYTHING -- past these mother fuckers. They are evil incarnate.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:56 AM
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6. Another interesting excerpt:
Just as with Word Wars 1 and 2 — both of which were planned and arranged by the Anglo-American clique — the perception of Westerners, and the story told in history books, will be that of a heroic West, bravely resisting aggression by terrorists and by the Sino-Russian axis of evil.


Whaddacrockacommunisticbullshit.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:46 AM
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7. When you know the real history of the US
then it makes sense that the descendants (as in bush family tree etc. and ruling elite of the US) of the founders of the US would go out to steal the rest of the world -- or the raw resources of the rest of the world.

The Americans were fully occupied when they were "discovered" by white Europeans -- so a massive genocide took place. Academics are still arguing about how many millions of Indigenous people were murdered, poisoned, starved, (Indians forced from their land and then starved and/or murdered.

So the nasty natives were eradicated and the white settlers could civilize the land and deplete much of the natural resources in a few short generations. Oh yes -- and the immigrants kept coming since the Indians didn't establish any immigrations policy <grin>.

America land of the free and home of the brave . . . . When we look at what is being done in our name . . .
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:12 AM
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8. Starts out OK, then wanders off into hyperbole.
Missile based nuclear war cannot be "managed", ballistic missile
defenses do not offer reliable survivability in the presence of
modern cruise/ballistic missile technologies, and while oil is the
premier source of portable, dense energy, there are adequate
substitutes if one abandons the current culture of excess. He
fails to mention global warming at all, which will prove a much
more relevant constraint on hydrocarbon fuel use than the
exhaustion of cheap oil.

It is true that the human population of the planet is much too
high, that various planners from time to time consider these
issues, and that the Neocon/PNAC/Banking elites are insular loons.

It is not true that the collapse of the present economic order
can be managed. The notions "collapse" and "management" are
antithetical. I suppose one could call it "controlled demolition"
or some such thing, but such control does not exist. Current
economic and currency regimes work because everyone accepts them,
when that acceptance fails, it will be everybody for himself, and
that will not be "managed". His notion of feudal keeps defending
themselves is not misplaced in that scenario. However in the
presence of large numbers of disgruntled people armed with modern
light weapons, the utility of fortifications of any sort is
questionable. The "barbarians" are armed with RPGs, SAMs and AK47s
these days.

Ballistic missiles, once used, are gone, and what little "defense"
they offer in the first place (which boils down to MAD style
deterrence) is gone with them. While we have them they serve to
prevent vengeance; once gone, vengeance will be taken. It is the
fear of vengeance that truly drives the futile attempt to find a
missile defense. That fear stays one's hand.

Far more likely is that they will cling to every little bit of
power and control all the way down into fragmentation and chaos,
like a hiker sliding down a scree slope and trying to control his
direction, as opposed to precitipating a "collapse" in the attempt
to control the result. In fact that seems to me to be a better
interpretation of what is happening now.

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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:16 PM
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9. The article points out how the world is forming alliances against us..
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:37 PM
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10. Yes, and? nt
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quantum500 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:09 PM
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11. some interesting things
One thing about global warming that everyone seems to forget about...if the temp rises globally there is a good chance that food will be more plentiful for a period of time and the population will be able to increase more. There of course will be major unrest in coastal regions that are flooded. Perhaps the most important thing that plays into the crumbling of society as we know it is the computer. I'm not a computer geek, but the power that rests is awakening at an alarming rate. The power of computers is going to be a very powerful player in the collapse. Something that all of the empires in the past have not had. As to this date there is what is commonly referred to as "quantum computers". Instead of working on a binary code they work on a dna like sequence. Using up to 32 different codes at once. Technically computers are getting powerful enough that they can see the future, because they can process enough variables at once. It turns into a lot of guesses as to what may or may not happen but it is a force to be reckoned with. Here is a great article by Vernon Vinge from caltech in the early 90's on the subject.

http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Singularity/sing.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 02:33 PM
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13. I believe I saw Mr. Vinge's piece before.
It's an interesting think piece. I will only make a
couple comments:

1.) The fact that we have a singularity, several actually,
looming in front of us seems incontestable to me. What will
happen in the course of "going through" it/them seems IN
PRINCIPLE unpredictable to me.

2.) The effect of the networks on human society do look to
be extensive and interesting. I suspect that they will
reshape human society completely. New forms of power are
emerging as we speak. Most of the effects already seen have
been a combination of predicted and emergent effects.
The latter are far more interesting, for example the erosion
of social hierarchy and the undermining of middlemen and
traders in special knowledge.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:42 AM
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12. and something not mentioned at all
everyone is so busy looking at how well the wealthy will survive, they haven't thought about the peasants...after all, the French nobility thought they could insulate themselves from the rabble. Didn't work then, won't work in the future. The elites will have their servants to guard them, but how loyal will the servants be? Especially if the millions are outside, tearing away the gates of their precious "gated communities." The rich stockpile gold, the poor stockpile "lead."

Rome, France, USA?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
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