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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:03 PM
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"The Biggest Slump in US Housing in the Last 40 Years"…or 53 Years?
Roubini is one economist who doesn't mince words. I highly recommend his blog, but only if you're not looking for happy talk.

At this point there no doubt on whether the housing sector is contracting – real residential investment fell at the annualized rate of 6.4% in Q2. The first derivative of the housing market is clear and negative today and looking ahead for the next few quarters. There is not even a debate about the second derivative of the housing market as any estimate out there suggests that the housing sector will contract at a faster rate in Q3 and Q4 than in Q2. Some official estimates that I have seen suggest that real residential housing will contract at 10% - rather than the Q2 6.4% in the next two quarters. My own estimate – based on a reading of the coming data – is that, actually, the contraction is more likely to be of the order of 12-15% annualized rate in the next several quarters. So, the only remaining scary question is about the third derivative of the housing sector and at which point – in terms of quantities and prices – the housing market will bottom out.

I have also argued before that the effects of housing on US economic growth and the role of housing in tipping the US economy into a recession in early 2007 are more significant than the role that the tech sector bust in 2000 played in tipping the economy into a recession in 2001. There are three reasons:

1. The direct effect of the fall in residential investment in aggregate demand will be as high as the effects of the fall in real investment in the 2000-2001episode. Then, real investment fell by about 2% of GDP. This time around the fall in residential investment alone – let alone the role other components of real investment, such as software and equipment, that are already falling in Q2 – will be as large as residential investment could fall from the peak of about 6.2% of GDP (the highest level since the 1950s) to as low as 4% of GDP at the bottom in 2007.

2. The wealth effect of the tech bust was limited to the elite of folks who had stocks in the NASDAQ. The wealth effect of now falling housing prices – yes median prices are starting to fall at the national level - affects every home-owning household: the value of residential real estate has also increased to 48.5% of household wealth in 2006 from from 38.7% in 1996. Also, the link between housing wealth rising, increased home equity withdrawal (HEW) and consumption of durable and non durables is very significant (see RGE’s Christian Menegatti brief on this), much more than the effect of the tech bubbles of the 1990s. Last year, out of the $800 billion of HEW at least $150 or possibly $200 billion was spent on consumption and another good $100 billion plus went into residential investment (i.e. house capital improvements/expansions). It is enough for house price to flatten – as they already did recently – let alone start falling - as they are doing now since they are beginning to fall in major markets – for the wealth effect to disappear, the HEW dribble to low levels and for consumption to sharply fall. Note that this year there will be large increases in the borrowing costs for $1 trillion of ARM’s while this figure for 2007 will be $1.8 trillion. Thus, debt servicing costs for millions of homeowners will sharply increase this year and next.

3. The employment effects of housing are serious; up to 30% of the employment growth in the last three years was due directly and indirectly to housing. The direct effects are job lost in construction, building materials, real estate brokers and sales agents, and employees of the mortgage finance industry. The indirect effects imply that the role of housing is even larger than 30%. The housing boom led to a boom in consumer durables spending on home appliances and furniture. Indeed, in Q2 real consumption of such goods was already negative: as you have less new home built and purchased and less old homes refurbished and expanded, you get less purchases of home appliances and furniture. There are also other indirect effects of the housing bust on employment, even on the purchases of motor vehicles. Indeed, the current auto sector slump is not unrelated to the housing slump. As the Financial Times put recently, the sharp fall in the sales of Ford's pick-up trucks is related to the housing slump as such truck are widely purchased by real estate contractors. And indeed in Q2 real consumer durables (that include both cars, home appliances and furniture all related to housing) already fell, consistent with the view that we have now have a glut in the stock of consumer durables (durables consumption has a investment-like nature to it as such goods last for a long time). Thus, as housing sector slumps, the job and income and wage losses in housing will percolate throughout the economy.

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So, the simple conclusion from the analysis above is that this is indeed the biggest housing slump in the last four or five decades: every housing indictor is in free fall, including now housing prices. By itself this slump is enough to trigger a US recession: its effects on real residential investment, wealth and consumption, and employment will be more severe than the tech bust that triggered the 2001 recession. And on top of the housing bust, US consumers are facing oil above $70, the delayed effects of rising Fed Fund and long term rates, falling real wages, negative savings, high debt ratios and higher and higher debt servicing ratios. This is the tipping point for the US consumer and the effects will be ugly. Expect the great recession of 2007 to be much nastier, deeper and more protracted than the 2001 recession.


http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/142759
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:06 PM
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1. How much has the average cost of a home gone up since shrub*
....took office in January 2001? 40%....50%....????
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:13 PM
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4. In our area, much more than that
I have not seen any national figures, but in my area of CA, the increases have been much greater. We bought our condo in 2001 and other similar units in our complex are selling for about 2 1/2 times what we paid.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:07 PM
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2. This economy was standing on the housing bubble. Buh bye.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:07 PM
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3. Soft Landing.
:sarcasm:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:16 PM
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5. Anyone who has always wanted to buy and cannot afford should
start saving NOW. Struggle, get a part time job, and SOCK THAT DOUGH AWAY. Actively sacrifice to get a nest egg going.

Eventually, we will hit bottom, and that's the time to buy.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:16 PM
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6. I'll wager....
...the results of this will be much less dire than predicted.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:20 PM
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9. It depends on who or where you are
and what your strategy has been.

If you're on either coast and have been trading up to bigger and bigger houses and have bought the last one in the past 2 years, you are in trouble. If you've gotten a creative financing deal to do it, you're in bigger trouble. If you've already refinanced to pay of credit cards, you're totally screwed.

If you bought a modest house 5 years ago or earlier, you'll probably be OK wherever you are. You've got enough paper equity in that place to survive what's coming, but only if you've got that fixed mortgage.

The problem with the housing collapse is that it's going to cause a lot of those credit card outfits to start getting very nervous about all that unsecured debt floating around. THAT is what might start the real trouble.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:38 PM
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11. You're on...
I went through the the RE bust in Houston. Unless there is some serious government tinkering (like the S&L bailout)and fudging....it will be very serious. Some area like NY and parts of CA might not go down as badly but ARM's are going to exacerbate the situation worse than those 'balloon' mortgages did in the 80's.
So what's your wager?
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:22 PM
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7. I have said
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 02:23 PM by ryanus
that it's not amazing that the economy is going to tank, but that it hasn't already. There are so many things that are just teetering on the edge, the housing market being one of them. The national debt is another. The retirement of baby boomers by 2010 and pulling money out of the stock market is another. And those are just the economic things...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:25 PM
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8. This guy has gotten play in the papers, too

U.S. Recession fear grows


The "R" word is starting to seep into Wall Street lexicon and expectations of a pause on U.S. interest rate hikes are being replaced by forecasts for cuts.

After watching the parade of dismal U.S. housing data in recent weeks, it was only a matter of time before economists began to wind up their recession risk-o-meters.

According to the minutes from the last U.S. Federal Reserve meeting, released yesterday, even the Fed is starting to get a little anxious about housing.

Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University and flavour-of-the-month on business TV, says the effects of the ongoing housing bust on real residential investment, wealth and consumption, and employment will be more severe than the tech bust that triggered the 2001 recession.

.... http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=411c8100-8f5f-4013-b324-3819f5d7690b&k=84992
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:19 PM
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10. sorry but 40 years? I didn't work through the last big housing decline
under REagan when interest rates were at 20%+ for 30 year mortgages.
That being said things could get ugly. Almost everyone I talk to see slow time in the housing industry ahead.
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