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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:02 PM
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WTF! Bush's solution to the recession is a $145 Bil tax cut!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:07 PM
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1. Since the tax cuts didn't work before lets do it again.
What we need now is jobs - Good paying permanent jobs. But of course instead of creating jobs the bush is giving away the treasury again.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:13 PM
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2. We have a treasury left?
Whoda thunk it?
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:50 PM
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12. The Tax Cuts DID WORK!
Just not for you or me or 99% of Americans

Get your mind right - Where are your priorities?!
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:20 PM
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13. Didn't you hear?
We'll build more Wal-Marts to give people jobs. First temporary construction jobs, then a slew of part-time, low-paying jobs. Other people can then take their rebate checks to the Wal-Mart and cash them in for shit that they might or might not need which is made in China.

So we send our tax rebate, pair with money printed out of the ether, to the Chinese who lend it back to us so we can pay interest on the debt.

Makes sense to me:(
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:18 PM
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15. what is your plan
to create jobs?

With Keynsian economic policies the government would normally increase spending (using deficit spending if necessary) to "prime the pump". However we are already running deficits and we cannot afford to borrow more money from the Chinese.

We are between a rock and a hard place.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:27 AM
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22. My solution is to tax the hell out of corporations and the uber rich then turn around
and spend that money on the infrastructure and non-oil based energy development. That will create jobs. The current set of uber rich may depart but a new set of people will be there to take their place.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:14 PM
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3. keep digging that hole, *moron! n/t
dp
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:18 PM
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4. Laura Bush is
fucking an idiot.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:52 PM
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6. Not anymore, I hear.
Aren't they sleeping in separate rooms now?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:06 PM
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7. Hell if I know.
:shrug:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:51 PM
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5. Consider this article by Saint Ronnie's Assistant Secretary of Treasury
FWIW, I don't agree with the first paragraph.

What is Supply Side Economics?
By Paul Craig Roberts
February 27, 2006


Supply-side economics was a major innovation in macroeconomic theory and economic policy. It was a correction of an oversight, not a magical formula. A quarter century ago before the days of the high speed Internet and US offshore outsourcing, supply-side economics revitalized the economy’s ability to grow without having to pay the price of rising rates of inflation. This battle was fought and won long ago. Re-fighting it is a waste of time and energy in an era of new serious problems.

The George W. Bush regime was faced with no stagflation and no worsening trade-offs between employment and inflation. The Bush administration did not use changes in the marginal rate of taxation to correct a mistaken policy mix or an oversight in economic policy. Moreover, global labor arbitrage is causing American jobs to be outsourced abroad. As Americans are experiencing declining opportunities to work, the response of labor supply to better incentives is small. Similarly, US companies are locating their investments in plant and equipment abroad. The substitution of foreign for American labor and the relocation abroad of US plant and equipment prevent reductions in marginal tax rates from having any appreciable effect on aggregate (job) supply in the US.

I am not a partisan of Dubya’s tax cuts. Income distribution is a legitimate issue. This is especially the case when offshore production and jobs outsourcing are destroying the American middle class.

Just as Dubya hides behind "freedom and democracy" to wage wars of naked aggression, he hides behind supply-side economics in order to reward his cronies. There seems to be no American value or legitimate principle that the Bush regime is incapable of despoiling.

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/060227_economics.htm


In other words, Junior's tax cut money has been used to create jobs elsewhere and not here - with a negative impact on US job opportunities. We might get a little bump out of this, with an overall negative impact on top of what we already face.
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:40 PM
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8. Vdare?
Hey bro, you may want to be careful referencing a paper by an organization that is described by the SPLC as a "hate group". People might not take you seriously
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:02 PM
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9. I coudn't find the article elsewhere.
If you could point me to another location where this article is available I will instead link to it in the future.
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:32 PM
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10. Counterpunch-Much better website
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02252006.html. Vdare's a little on the racist side
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:27 PM
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14. OK, replaced my bookmark with the one you supplied.
Thanks.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:39 PM
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16. Yeah!
He wants more money for corporations. Pelosi wants more for the unemployed and those on food stamps.
See the difference?

I am so tired of hating him.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:52 AM
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20. You got that right.
Supply side economics has never been much more than an attempt to find moral justification in taking from the poor and giving to the rich.

But my point is, even this famous supply-sider knows the Bush tax cuts were counterproductive gifts to cronies. Good ammo to use in email/message board wars. And Junior sees the upcoming stimulus measure as yet another opportunity for more of the same: Giveaways to the richest 10%. I've seen in the news where he's taking advantage of the economic chaos he's created, to call yet again for making his tax cuts permanent.
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sbyte Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:41 PM
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24. Supply side..... or Slide
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:39 PM by sbyte
Supply:---Increase supply by lowering tax burden on manufacturer's.
Supply side economics appears to work. But are the tax cuts to broad or have loopholes that allow the wealthy to receive a tax cut without increased production? (or allows more offshore imports)

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The main supply to wealth and production is energy inputs, raw materials, skilled and unskilled labor.
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Isn't it Ironic that Pres. Bush reads his speech from the Roosevelt room in the White house. Given that Bush specifically denies any long term infrastructure projects that would not have an immediate effect on the economy, at a time when a long term vision for the economy is needed.

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Found a good link:
http://fierybee.blogspot.com/
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sbyte Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:06 PM
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26. another link: Contrarians and The Keynesian Myth
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:35 PM
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11. remember, the goal is to close down government and hand the spoils over
to the private sector ...like public streets ...make them toll roads. These bastards are going to create chaos this year.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:41 PM
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17. The road issue
is on the fast track in Texas. And why do you think we have so many people incarcerated? Private prisons. Many owned by the Bush's.
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:44 PM
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18. I'm worried
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:44 PM by phostur
that our elected leaders are not up to the challenge of responsibly handling this crisis. WE NEED A NEW NEW DEAL!
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:08 PM
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23. I agree!
We need to let our representatives know that this is what is needed and wanted.
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sbyte Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:30 PM
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25. all right!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:23 PM
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19. The economy is growing... tax cuts
the economy is in a slump... you guessed it.

What a fucking moron!

(Though he ain't alone. Anybody heard of McCain's stimulus plan? You guessed it... tax cut... business tax cut, because we all know that has worked so well)
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:04 AM
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21. The Pavlov's response to tax cuts by conservatives
is unstoppable. They will boisterously and adamantly demand that we understand how logical this is.
Morans, HUGH morans!!1
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