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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:38 PM
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Recession's real when rich feel it
It's not a recession until the rich say it's a recession.

And the rich now say it's a recession.

The American Express Publishing Corp. and Harrison Group recently surveyed 638 well-to-do households, representing the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans. These 12 million households account for half of all U.S. retail spending and $4.1 trillion worth of consumption.

More than 90 percent of them indicated they believe the U.S. economy is in a recession or on the precipice of one.

"They are as down on the economy as you can imagine," said Jim Taylor, vice chairman of Harrison Group, which co-produces "The Annual Survey of Affluence and Wealth in America."

Here's what they said:

• "I think we are in for a long rough ride ahead," 73 percent.

• "My company is looking at cutting costs and could be letting people go," 48 percent.

• "I am looking closely at every spending category to see where we can save," 68 percent.

• "I usually wait for something to go on sale before I buy it," 82 percent.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:42 PM
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1. Hilarious. Meanwhile, most of those surveyed will never
hear the wolf at the door, no matter how profligate they make their lifestyles. It is not humanly possible to spend a billion dollars on living expenses, not even with a different penthouse hotel suite every night.

They must just now be noticing that Stupid's reckless tax cuts have so fouled up the economy that they've lost 60% of their net worth due to the fall in the dollar, alone.

They got what they voted for. It's too bad they had to drag the rest of the country down with them, the bastards.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:42 PM
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2. Realize they never called the GD a depression
for a while
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:00 PM
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3. The well-to-do will suffer in this economy...
...because it's the little people who drive sales at their restaurants, gift shops, clothing
stores and other businesses.

If people aren't purchasing, those business owners aren't making money.

I would suggest that business owners are even more vulnerable than some poor and lower-middle class people.
These business owners might see their entire livelihood fail and lose everything. Whereas, someone who is
in the lower income brackets--will continue to feel the squeeze as food/gas prices increase, but they will
not lose their entire livelihood.

I'm not suggesting that the wealthy will suffer more or that their suffering is more important. Not at all.

I'm just suggesting that this horrible economy is really going to hit people who were doing very well, but not
anymore.

This is anecdotal, but I know someone who owned a chain of restaurant franchises in malls. They lived the high
life for three decades. The malls are barren now, and that person is hanging on for dear life, after being forced
to close all of the restaurants, except one, due to poor sales. This person is now 68, and has been doing this
his entire life. What happens now?

This economy will affect all income levels, except the top 1 percent or so.

I'd like to know what "top 10 percent" means in terms of income? The article does not indicate what
"top 10 percent means." That would be interesting to know.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:24 PM
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7. Business owners are not rich, although some of them
have managed to become middle class.

The entry fee for the rich man's club of private airports, private marinas, and VIP wings of big hospitals is about ten million bucks. Even then, they're barely allowed to use the amenities favored by people with hundreds of millions to over a billion in net worth.

The worst thing the rich have done to any discussion on class is define everybody up a class: the destitute are now the poor, the truly poor are now the working class, the working class have been taught to think they are middle class, while they think even the lower middle class of small businessmen and professionals are somehow rich.

The truth is that we've all moved down a class while they've grabbed everything in sight. Every class will be hurt very badly but their own, even though they've lost net worth due to the fall in the dollar. They will likely never feel the slightest pinch even as they cry poverty to Congress.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:48 PM
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11. Many business owners voted for Bush. That's what happens
when Republicans run the country. Hoover and Wilson did the same to us.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:10 PM
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4. I feel so sorry for the rich. It must be tough worrying...
...about foreclosure on your houses.

Everybody gets one before anybody gets two.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:48 AM
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5. The last line of the article:
"Surely, we can't expect first-class people to live in a second-class economy"

Why not? The elite in 3rd world countries do it all the time.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:55 PM
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6. I reject the notion any of these people are "rich." I only consider the top 1 percent as wealthy.
The people in the vertical spike in the top 1 percent don't feel pain. They do well regardless if the streets are running red with blood.

http://www.lcurve.org/
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:27 AM
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8. Money, not religion, the real belief system ...
Chicago Tribune: Study: Earners high, low think they belong to middle class

A new report by the Pew Research Center highlights a paradox of the American middle class: Most people, no matter where they fall on the economic spectrum, believe they are part of it.


Yahoo : The Disappearing Upper Class

...the "upper class" is vanishing from our language


Washington Post: A New Poll Finds Americans Feeling a Lot More Squeezed

As many Americans struggle with declining housing values, increasing food and energy prices and growing unemployment after a long period of flat wages, well over half of respondents said they are either losing ground economically or are stuck in the same place

The squeeze is particularly tight for those who have low incomes and for the 53 percent of Americans who classify themselves as middle-class. Nearly four out of five middle-class adults say it is more difficult for people like them to maintain their standard of living.


Reuters: In America, millions make you middle-class

For most people around the world, earning a million dollars makes you rich. In America, it just makes you middle class.

A new book, "The Middle-Class Millionaire: The Rise of The New Rich And How They Are Changing America", finds that 8.4 million U.S. households have a net worth of between $1 million and $10 million of money they did not inherit.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:12 PM
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9. Classflation. Like Gradeflation, only you don't get the side benefits. n/t
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:46 PM
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10. I saw Jaguars and BMWs at the WYCA facility.
Must be things are tight for the elite. Those big houses are paid for by the consumers (workers). If the workers don't have money to spend no one does well. It's simple Economics 101. Our government leaders think the treasury is endless when they ran out into the next generations. Shame on them.
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