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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:14 AM
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Wall Street Coup D’état
http://news.goldseek.com/TrendInvestor/1....

The Bailouts now stand at $8.5 trillion Dollars and the vast majority of this money has been stolen by the Wall Street insiders, as I will now demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt.

The Bailout money will be financed in three ways

1. More taxation.

2. Sale of new debt, to be added to the existing $10.6 trillion Dollars of debt.

3. The money will simply be printed therefore devaluing the purchasing power of all your existing Dollars.

So you will be taxed more, and you will have to suffer poorer government services. As far more of the government’s income via taxation is used to pay the interest on all the existing and new debt, and finally your Dollars will buy a lot less.

That is the future, and it is the future because the vast majority of the $8.5 trillion Dollars of bailout money has simply been stolen.

We were originally told that the whole problem was a sub prime mortgage problem. Unfortunately this is a LIE. The amount of all sub prime mortgages in America is $1.3 trillion Dollars. But the bailouts are already $8.5 trillion Dollars and growing daily. Why do you need $8.5 trillion to fix a $1.3 trillion problem? And that’s assuming that everybody with a sub prime mortgage goes into foreclosure and that the foreclosure sale proceeds are precisely zero, not exactly a likely outcome.

So lets look at it another way the total value of all residential mortgages in the USA prime, ALT A , and Subprime as of August 2008 according to the Federal Reserve is $10.6 trillion Dollars THAT IS EVERY MORTGAGE IN AMERICA. According to the Mortgage Bankers Association at this same time 9.2% of all mortgages were either delinquent or in foreclosure. So let’s assume that 100% of all these mortgages eventually go into foreclosure and that at auction the total proceeds for the foreclosure sales are zero. I am sure you will agree this is once again a highly unlikely outcome!

$10.6 trillion X 9.2% = $975 Billion Dollars

So a total of $975 Billlion Dollars would be required as an absolute maximum to bail out every single foreclosed mortgage in America. So why do we have an $8.5 trillion Dollar solution to solve a $975 Billion Dollar problem?

If you buy a futures contract you can either buy it LONG or SHORT. If you are LONG you believe that the price of the underlying asset will rise, if you are SHORT you feel that it will fall. It is a zero sum game somebody wins and somebody loses. If the winner wins $1000 then he takes this $1000 from the loser. The amount of contracts outstanding or open interest is always in balance. All transactions and trades take place within a regulated and transparent exchange.

OTC derivative contracts are basically the same as regulated futures contracts. They are also zero sum, BUT they do not take place within an exchange. So they are not regulated and they are not transparent. What has happened is that a band of insiders have taken such huge OTC derivative bets that they have been able to push the markets, so that many of these OTC derivative contracts have triggered. Because the amount of leverage used or the notional value of these contracts is so high it takes very little movement for the outsiders to become insolvent, it is leverage gone mad. The Insiders knew that this would happen, but they also knew that the Government would not allow this corrupt system to fail.

Hence the $8.5 trillion Dollars of bailouts, this money is simply being transferred or funnelled from the taxpayers to a select band of Wall Street insiders. Remember it is a zero sum game the outsiders Bear Stearns, Wachovia, Citigroup LOST but somebody gained an equivalent amount. As Gordon Gecko stated in the film Wall Street.

“Money is not lost that’s the illusion, it is simply transferred”

The Politicians and media go on, and on, about how this is necessary to save the system, too big to fail, etc, etc. It is all rubbish they are nothing more than paid salesman for the bankers, it is a Government of the few and only for the few. The banks had huge unregulated bets amongst themselves and all kept in secret, the outsiders inevitably lost, and your money is now being funnelled directly to the bet winners. It is theft pure and simple. If you take a bet with somebody and you win BUT the loser cannot pay then that bet is worthless, and it dies. Why should American taxpayers pay for these failed bets? Surely the insiders had completed their “due diligence” on the counterparty risk? The reality was that they had not because they knew they would win, and they also knew that the government would pay the winnings via the taxpayer.

What people cannot accept is that America is in no way, shape, or form a democracy, and neither is any other western country. The politicians are bought and paid for, as are the media. With the Mcain Vs Obama election you had a simple choice you were voting for the bankers man or the bankers other man, the outcome will be the same it always will be in a bank oligarchy. .

You think I maybe wrong? Then I leave you with a very sobering thought.

$8.5 Trillion Dollars would buy exactly 80% of all the mortgages outstanding in America. So imagine for the same money that your government or is it the bankers government? have already given to the bankers they could have instead sent you a cheque for 80% of your outstanding mortgage, that would be some Christmas present. Instead they decided to send all of this money, YOUR MONEY to a select band of Wall Street insiders.

If your mortgage was now 80% paid off, would it not provide quite a “stimulus” for the real economy? And it would not cost $1 more than what they have already committed to the bankers.

It is an $8.5 Trillion Dollar and growing daily, solution to a $975 Billion Dollar problem. The surplus has simply been “transferred”. It begs the question, why are the Government paying off the gambling bets of Wall Street? These bets had no purpose, they added no value, and provided no jobs they were simply symptomatic of the unregulated and opaque casino that wall street has unfortunately become. This again is a matter of deliberate policy otherwise the thieves will be identified. Let them fail, if 80% of all the outstanding mortgages were paid, we would not need much of a credit or finance industry. New start banks and foreign banks could easily provide this facility.

So I leave you with one thought this Christmas. The bailouts if redirected could pay 80% of every mortgage in America INCLUDING YOURS.

Ironic that a few bankers have engineered the biggest robbery in history
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:20 AM
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1. An interesting point - if these contracts paid out, who got the payments
I haven't seen a thing about that in the M$M beyond AIG keeps asking for money to pay out to something
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:40 AM
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3. the "payouts" (pay offs! ) go to other banks
and hedge funds!! it`s called a circle jerk! and guess who gets to be the pivot man!!!!
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:23 AM
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2. Don't worry, we'll get tougher on the stick-up artists
who pull a gun on a teller ordering them to empty their cash drawer. That'll give the law and order types the warm fuzzies and a false sense of security. Yes it is ironic that the real robbers are some of the top-level bankers in this country.
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:27 PM
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4. I'm not following your contention regarding $8.5 trillion in bailouts
And your link is non-functional.

I'm under the impression that the amount of taxpayer money that is at risk is about 1/10 that amount.

Just because the numbers have become much larger than we are used to is no reason to get loose with the figures on analysis.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:39 PM
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5. link
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:54 PM
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6. Thanks for the link, unfortunately
the article didn't bother to support the $8.5 trillion bail out amount either.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:12 PM
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7. 8.5 trillion
has been committed not spent YET!! but it will be and more!! much more!! lots of research out there supporting these numbers.... the Obama camp is talking about 850 billion to a trillion in stimulus for 09 and some on his team are even suggesting TWO trillion ( over two years ) and things are getting worse by the month! will even two trillion be enough??? time will tell!!
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:16 PM
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8. Do you have a link at all? (!!)
Committed??!!

Do you mean it hasn't ACTUALLY! been spent YET!!??

A trillion stimulus still doesn't add up to $8.5 trillion!! !! !! Not EVEN $2 trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you trying to MISLEAD us!! ?? !!

Where is the DOCUMENTATION!! for $8.5 trillion?? !! ??

Sorry about all the punctuation, but you appear to like hyperbole. :o
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:32 PM
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9. numbers
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:35 PM by marketcrazy1
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/26/MNVN14C8QR.DTL --- according to these numbers 3.2 trillion has been tapped so far..
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:43 PM
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10. Thanks for pointing that out to us
But I have to say that I see it mostly as alarmism, particularly if you don't take care to point out the differences to readers between "committed" as you see it and the amount that is actually at risk right now.

Much of what you want to tally consists of extensions of regular financial functions.

We're a couple months into this now and we have a much better feeling for the depth of the risk than we did at the onset.

This just confuses readers into thinking that government has gone mad(der) than it is.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:52 PM
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11. I was not trying to confuse or alarm anyone
although we should be alarmed, as you point out mutch of the tally consists of extensions of regular financial functions. that the FED and Treasury have been forced to assume so mutch of the normal functions of the financial markets in order to keep them operating is frightening!!
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:54 PM
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12. I agree with ya on that.
The fright is what all this hoopla is about!

Fear of the unknown isn't a negligent part of the fear, either.
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