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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:50 PM
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Nouriel Roubini : Will Banks and Financial Markets Recover in 2009?
NEW YORK - Global financial markets in 2008 experienced their worst crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930's. Major financial institutions went bust; others were bought up on the cheap or survived only after major bailouts. Global stock markets fell by more than 50%; interest-rate spreads skyrocketed; a severe liquidity and credit crunch appeared; and many emerging-market economies staggered to the International Monetary Fund for help.

So what lies ahead in 2009? Is the worst behind us or ahead of us? To answer these questions, we must understand that a vicious circle of economic contraction and worsening financial conditions is underway.

The United States will certainly experience its worst recession in decades, a deep and protracted contraction lasting about 24 months through the end of 2009. Moreover, the entire global economy will contract. There will be recession in the euro zone, the United Kingdom, Continental Europe, Canada, Japan, and the other advanced economies. There is also a risk of a hard landing for emerging-market economies, as trade, financial, and currency links transmit real and financial shocks to them.

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But the worst is still ahead of us. In the next few months, the macroeconomic news and earnings/profits reports from around the world will be much worse than expected, putting further downward pressure on prices of risky assets, because equity analysts are still deluding themselves that the economic contraction will be mild and short.

While the risk of a total systemic financial meltdown has been reduced by the actions of the G-7 and other economies to backstop their financial systems, severe vulnerabilities remain. The credit crunch will get worse; deleveraging will continue, as hedge funds and other leveraged players are forced to sell assets into illiquid and distressed markets, thus causing more price falls and driving more insolvent financial institutions out of business. A few emerging-market economies will certainly enter a full-blown financial crisis.

So 2009 will be a painful year of global recession and further financial stresses, losses, and bankruptcies. Only aggressive, coordinated, and effective policy actions by advanced and emerging-market countries can ensure that the global economy recovers in 2010, rather than entering a more protracted period of economic stagnation.

http://www.guatemala-times.com/opinion/175-year-end/663-will-banks-and-financial-markets-recover-in-2009.html

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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:02 PM
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1. This guy makes money by being overly negative
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:07 PM
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2. Being right is not being overly negative
And he's been right for several years now.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:12 PM
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3. There's a growing number of people who think he's an optimist.
I happen to be one of them:

From Despair to Hope

Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman doesn't get it. Not even Nouriel Roubini, the doomer's doomer of economists, truly comprehends what's about to happen to the global economy.

Even in the midst of financial collapse, the economic discussion utterly fails to take into account the effects of the rapidly worsening global energy situation (aka Peak Oil) and the consequences that the draining of the financial capital pool will have for our ability to bring oil alternatives on-line in time. Without oil or a substitute, economic activity will be constrained by both financial and energy shortages, rather than just one or the other. Most substitutes that have the potential scalability to meet the challenge (e.g. a switch to electric cars and electric rail) require serious capital to fund the infrastructure build-out, and capital is in shorter supply every day. The double whammy of oil shortages and capital shortages could even result in a worsening of global warming if we switch to cheap coal rather than expensive renewables to replace our declining oil supplies. We have at most 5 years to address this situation. At this time there aren't even any coherent plans in place and money is rapidly becoming scarce.

Then there's the global food situation that is being exacerbated by climate change (which is causing worsening droughts and floods), the rising cost of fertilizer and the depletion of irrigation water. The global economic recession will have amplifying consequences for regional food shortages, since lower economic activity and the implosion of global credit markets will have a braking effect on donations for international food aid. This is already happening to Zimbabwe. If a region's food supply declines, so does its economic capacity, as an underfed workforce is much less productive. That in turn makes the recession or depression worse.

All these factors will work together over the next two to five years, and the interaction has the potential of creating a level of global distress that is an order of magnitude worse than a simple recession, no matter whether it looks like a V, a U, a W or an L. I don't think we're going to see significant inflation, and that scares the crap out of me. Instead, I'm convinced we're going to see a massive global deflationary event, starting with a debt shock within the next two years and spiraling into a deflationary depression as debt and credit (the modern electronic version of money) evaporates.

We are facing a serious shitstorm. I expect the situation to transition from recession to depression rather suddenly, though I don't know exactly when. What I've read over the last four years has led me to the conclusion that by the end of 2010 we'll probably be in the first year of a global depression, one that could last several decades due to worsening energy shortages and the rising relative cost of raw materials. In fact it's entirely possible that the situation by 2020 could be the new normal -- the words "recession" and "depression" imply recovery, which in my opinion is not at all guaranteed in this situation.


I explore this theme further in these articles:
Gathering Momentum
The New Normal
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 09:45 PM
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5. Me too - I think he's hedging
I think all those years of being called "Doctor Doom" made him tend not to say publicly all the things he is really seeing, instead trying to break the news slowly.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 11:48 PM
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6. We have plenty of oil. That's not the problem and it won't be a problem ....
anytime soon.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 07:15 AM
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7. The problem is not one of quantity, it's one of flow rates
An industrial civilization like ours requires a certain amount of oil flowing every day to stay functional at a given economic level. Peak Oil theory claims that due to the geological structure of oil fields and their size distribution all oil producing regions reach a maximum output and then begin an inexorable decline, regardless of the amount of investment in new exploration, drilling or technology. The evidence so far seems to support that view -- the American lower 48, Alaska, the North Sea, Indonesia and Mexico for instance, are all past peak production.

While it's true that we will still have oil available for decades, the real question is, will we have sufficient flow rates to maintain civilization in its present form? And if not, will we have the capital, technical ability and political will to replace oil in all its multiple uses in time to maintain global economic activity as the oil flows decline?
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 08:05 PM
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4. He's been spot on for the last several years
Just for fun, here are some people/publications who made money by being wrong in 2008...

The worst media calls of 2008
It takes powerful trends to push the economy into a recession and produce one of the stock market's worst years since the Great Depression. So how did these pundits and commentators get things so wrong?

By Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine
What a year. The economy nose-dived. U.S. stocks have lost 38% of their value. And those of us who earn a living trying to peer into the future had our comeuppance.

Along with all the bad news, the panic of '08 will be remembered for a bumper crop of wrong predictions from pundits, prognosticators and analysts of all stripes.

Here are a few bloopers from a year that turned out to be a bust on many levels. See if you agree.

Larry Kudlow, economist and syndicated columnist
What he said: "With the U.S. dollar up and oil down and businesses investing, I think (the) Goldilocks (economy) is back in business." -- Aug. 28 on CNBC's "Kudlow & Company"

What happened next: Several weeks later, Lehman Bros. (LEHMQ, news, msgs) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and signed an agreement to be taken over by Barclays (BCS, news, msgs).

What he's saying now: "Who knew about Lehman, AIG (AIG, news, msgs) and the LIBOR (interbank-lending) freeze? But we will see Goldilocks again."

Worth Magazine
What the magazine said: "Emerging markets are now the global investors' (sic) safe haven of choice." -- April/May 2008

What happened next: Emerging-markets stocks shed 52% of their value in 2008, through Dec. 19.

What they're saying now: Nothing. (Worth didn't respond to our request for comment.)

Kiplinger's Personal Finance Magazine
What we said: Stock investors should "beat the rush to the banks." -- November 2008

What happened next: The banking industry has come to the brink of collapse over the past few months.

What we're saying now: "We grossly underestimated the risks of these companies, but at least all our picks are still in business." -- Elizabeth Ody, author of this article

Suze Orman, personal finance adviser and author
What she said: "If any of you have your money at brokerage firms in a money-market (mutual) fund that is not FDIC-insured, you better switch it out today to either a money-market account that's insured, a bank that has FDIC insurance or a money-market fund that invests in Treasurys." – Sept. 23 on "The Oprah Winfrey Show"

What happened next: The U.S. Treasury had already announced a guarantee of money-market mutual funds. Wouldn't a run on these funds help fuel a financial meltdown?

What she's saying now: "It is far better to be safe than sorry."

more.......


http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/the-worst-media-calls-of-2008.aspx







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