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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:57 AM
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US Already Preparing Next Citigroup Bailout
from http://www.businessinsider.com/us-already-preparing-next-citigroup-bailout-2009-3">Clusterstock:

Three bailouts later, and Citigroup (C) is still a $1 stock. Hence the government is already engaged in "contingency planning", says http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123664734657878827.html#mod=testMod">WSJ, on the off-off chance that thinks take a turn for the worse.

What would that turn for the worse be? An actual bank run. Already Citi's CDS are trading at blowout spreads, an ominous sign given how much intervention there's already been, but bank executives swear there have been no hints of a run. Really.

Again, it's all contingency planning, and whoever leaked this story to the Journal says they don't expect to have to go through with it.


And Yves from http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/citi-and-federal-government-in-new-non.html">Naked Capitalism weighs in:


The double-speak in this Wall Street Journal piece... is so thick that parsing it is like wading through mud.

And I do mean to stress the attempts to obfuscate what is going on. Recall that the last retrade of Citi's arrangement with the officialdom was initiated by the big bank, which seemed a bit annoyed that the government did not jump when it demanded attention (the result was not a new cash injection, but Citi did just fine anyhow. As Bruce Krasting explained:


Last Friday Treasury agreed to convert $25 Billion of the TARP Pref for 36% of the common of Citi. The problem is that as of the close of business on Friday 36% of Citi is only worth $3 billion. This convert looks like a $22 Billion loss.

If your broker had slipped a few of these Preferreds into your account last fall and you joined the Feebs on Friday in the convert to Common your account would be down 90% in fewer than four months. Fleeced.



This time, it appears the powers that be initiated the talks with Citi. And no, of course they are not worried, they are doing mere contingency planning.

If you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. If this really were contingency planning, the Fed and Treasury should have been on that case the day after the Bear deal was finally wrapped up. And if it was really mere contingency planning, don't you think the Treasury would be doing the same for some of the other big banks?

The ratio of weasel wording to real content is unusually high:


Barely a week after the third rescue of Citigroup Inc., U.S. officials are examining what fresh steps they might need to take to stabilize the bank if its problems mount, according to people familiar with the matter.

Federal officials describe the discussions, which are wide-ranging and preliminary, as "contingency planning." Regulators are trying to ensure that they are prepared if Citigroup takes a sudden turn for the worse, which they aren't expecting, these people say.



Yves here. Even if you merely read this literally, it isn't credible. Has anyone ever prepared for an event they don't expect?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/citi-and-federal-government-in-new-non.html">More...
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:26 AM
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1. It's worse than some think?
http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2009/03/09/reality-bites.aspx

"Investors expecting a conventional bear market/bull market cycle are likely to be sorely disappointed. Over the past several decades, U.S. stock market investors have been conditioned to believe that the market will bottom and then rebound. Bear markets have been brief within the context of a long bull market that stretches back to the 1980s. But the current environment is likely going to be different. We are now experiencing a destruction of wealth on a scale that is both unprecedented and permanent because much of that wealth was built on a fragile foundation of debt; in reality, much of that wealth didn't really exist in the first place. As a result, what people believed to be economically valuable and stable was in fact nothing of the kind. In many respects, the latter stages of the bull market were little more than an illusion. Real corporate earnings and genuine productivity peaked years ago, and the economy has been operating on debt-induced fumes for years.

Accordingly, investors need to prepare themselves for a future that will not resemble the recent past. Ray Dalio, the wise man who runs Bridgewater Associates, noted in a recent Barron's interview that investors need to recognize that the current environment more resembles a depression than a recession: "Everybody should, at this point, try to understand the depression process by reading about the Great Depression or the Latin American debt crisis of the Japanese experience so that it becomes part of their frame of reference. Most people didn't live through any of those experiences, and what they have gotten used to is the recession dynamic, and so they are quick to presume the recession dynamic. It is very clear to me that we are in a D-process." (Barron's, February 9, 2009, "Recession? No, It's a D-process, and It Will Be Long," pp. 38-40.) Mr. Dalio's view is consistent with HCM's long-argued view that we are in a debt-deflationary spiral whose end is nowhere in sight.

The characteristics of our current economic situation are as follows:

* Interest rates have dropped to zero.
* Bank stocks have plunged by 90 percent or more.
* The Federal Reserve's balance sheet has exploded.
* Credit spreads have widened to historic levels.
* The economy is seeing massive asset deflation.
* Debt is being destroyed in record amounts.
* Unemployment is increasing each month.
* The financial industry is shrinking radically.
* Manufacturing activity has slowed sharply.

This is not a situation that is consistent with recent American experience. HCM has previously described a depression as an economic condition in which traditional monetary and fiscal policy is rendered ineffective. For the moment, we are deeply entrenched in such a situation. The question is how long the economy will remain depressed before some of the remedies that have been proposed start to work. Unfortunately, HCM fears we may be in for an extended stay.

For these reasons, HCM believes that after the stock market bottoms, it will drift along at a depressed level for an extended period of time. The American economy will experience less-than-trend growth for a similarly prolonged period of time. The economy will have to absorb trillions of dollars of bad debts and transition its resources away from speculative activities and toward new productive endeavors. The economy has to be completely retooled, and this process will not happen overnight, particularly because such a program must be directed by a highly inefficient democratic political system that is inefficient in reaching consensus about its goals and how to achieve them. Unfortunately, the deeper involvement of the government in the financial and other sectors of the economy is likely to stifle growth, innovation and creativity and further contribute to lower growth for years to come."
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