Ron Paul questioning Geithner and Bernanke NOW- Cspan 3 and maybe MSNBC.

He is trying to tell everyone how the FED is a big part of the financial bubbles that are about to finaly peter out once other countries decide to stop buying US Debt. IMO The powers that be will shut down the stock markets when that day comes. It'll be ugly.

It would have been nice to see Obama win all 50 states.

Right abour Iraq...everything else he's batshit.

I know far oo many of his dissaffected South Park wtching Geek followers. Nice folks...just completely socially backwards and thinking they will get some kind of cookie in a ultra-Libertarian world.

You lost me on the SP/Ron Paul connection.

South Park (and the dopes who develop their opinions from it) is strongly Libertarian. (Big L not little l Libertarian).

...big-L Libertarians once.

Now try and follow Trey and Matt's morals to the stories.

So fucking Libertarian that Ayn Rand's corpse is getting moist every time a new episode runs.

I don't expect a cookie, just a Constitutional Republic, which is a Libertarian/Classical Liberal concept stemming from Locke.

You can keep your cookie and your elastic interpretation of the Constitution.

The big L Libertarianism that Ron Paul stands for (stems far more from Rand and goes well beyond Locke). It is so fucking idealistic that it makes single party communism look functional.

Spouting that one knows who John Locke was is all very cute...but it's so fucking inapplicable to reality.

Now as for Ron Paul' followers? I guess they can go back to collecting precious metals and/or Magic the Gathering Cards...but I highly recommend that stop acting like they are some form of valuable good in a Libertarian society. They aren't.

This ain't "Ron Paul Underground". Just because the doctor was right about Iraq doesn't make him right about everything else.

Because a strong number of us were just as right about Iraq...and reality seems to be siding with us in a much stronger manner...say for the failure of Laissez-Faire economics?

For someone who thinks that allowing people more control over their money supply, televising FOMC meetings, adding more sunlight to the President's working committee, having Congress declare our wars instead of our leaders hastily rushing us off into battle, think that this economic paradigm of massive consumerism and negative savings, that inflation is a tax in which it hurts the poor the most, voting against the Patriot Act and FISA, and that we need to stop policing the word are all batshit crazy ideas your opinion is not fucking applicable to reality.

As for laissez-faire failing, we are far from from a laissez-faire economy. We are a highly regulated economy, especially our financial sector. The Fed is a government granted monoplane that bears special privileges and responsibilities.

Greenspan betrayed the markets back in the mid 1990's and again in 2001 by lowering the interest rate artificially below the market rate, overheating the economy and in 2001 when the tech bubble crashed, capital fled that market to find a new home--the housing market. Predatory lending began with the Fed.

Since they have practiced ultra-loose monetary policy for well over a decade now, they have rendered themselves completely useless. With an interest rate hovering between 0-.5, they are almost practically giving money away.

Honestly. Where the hell did you extrapolate most of that magically as my opinion from my previous statement?

As for lassaiz faire were closer than anyone has ever been and don't fucking fool yourself for a moment. If you think this is "heavily monitored" you have not a clue what heavy monitoring of fiscal policy is. Just because it has been abused as of recent doens't mean it's not absolutely goddamn neccesary. There's a reason why it has never been tried. Opening goddamn pandoras box is what it is.

Oh but you are right about Mr. Greenspan...the little pseudogenius that he is and his little artificial stimulation for the sake of the allmighty rapid profit that I told my collegues in Grad school back in the day would not end well...well they all went to work for financial companies. Great for them. I hope they paid off their student loans before shit went belly up. They couldn't have weaseled too far in theranks but I digress.

Just read your own words. Not my fault I am feeding you your own bullshit.

Post #4 to be exact, "Right abour Iraq...everything else he's batshit."

I find it sad that I have to even remind you of your own claims just a few posts ago.

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You've sure got a lot of pent-up anger about him. The man's crazy on some things - the whole NAFTA conspiracy, for example - but he's been right about more than just Iraq. Obama's right on some things and wrong on others. Even McCain - gasp! - has been right sometimes. Remember his stand against torture during the Republican primaries?

Actually evaluating individual messages, rather than looking at the messenger and launching into a knee-jerk tirade about Magic the Gathering cards, can be all sorts of fun. *big thumbs up*

Now seriously. This is not a Ron Paul suck off fest. I really dislike big L libertarians. I dislike assholes who are anti-choice. I dislike pseudo knowledge of economics. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html

It's been evaluated.

Fuck Ron Paul. Is that pent up anger? No. I just think the man's followers are even more idealistic than the ANSWER. But hell they're still too cool to vote Democratic.

This is DU.

PS: I'm a gamer. I know Ron Paul Rejects. If you think the Magic the Gathering comment was a tirade you truly do not know the definition of "tirade". Seriously. Got a whole bunch of guys who have never gotten laid in that crew.

Keep plugging sunshine. I've got you pegged. You're no dummy...but you sure as fuck have no idea how macroeconomics work and just how little Ron Paul's little theories are worth.

I see that you are myopic and that liberalism only happens within the Democratic Party and that you are only a liberal if you vote Democrat. This is one of the most fucking absurd statement ever uttered by a self-proclaimed liberal and your attitude is one of the many reason why I left the Democratic Party. False liberals, like you, have hijacked my philosophy.

Ron Paul is not anti-choice, he supports a strict intepretation of the 10th Amendment, which fosters bottom up democracy which implies that local problems are best dealt locally. I respect that, even though I disagree with Paul on creationism, abortion, and welfare. But I agree with him that local problems are best dealt locally rather than create an all-powerful central government that is distant from the people and relatively immune from popular constraint.

It is you that is anti-choice since you seek to rule all men by your own standards instead of allowing bottom up democracy which Paul supports.

I LMFAO at your claim that you are a gamer and that qualifies you as knowing the politics of Ron Paul along with macroeconomics.

Last time I check, WoW doesn't teach macroecnomics.

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Private property (including and especially intellectual property, copyright, patents and all of that jazz) is anything but Laissez-Faire, it's very much regulated and it takes a full state and a monopoly of violence to enforce and uphold.

Look what the pro business Republicants brought. There's nothing 'pro' about what 'business' they gave us.

I support his anti-Federal Reserve views since that institution is above the law. What I don't support is the nutty idea that everything will be fine if we abolished it and went back to the gold standard. Gold, being a finite resource, is subject to the shortages and surpluses of any commodity, so now your currency is at the whim of whoever digs it out of the ground. The FDIC also insures that if a bank fails, you can still pull your money out of the system.

Plus, Libertarians seem believe that there was no boom-bust cycle in the 19th century. Capitalism (which was closer to free markets) was horrid for people back then.

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/why_is_the_gold_standard_crazy.php